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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 07 2014 13:50 GMT
#121781
I wonder how much valve will charge you for their premium maps..
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wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
August 07 2014 13:56 GMT
#121782
On August 07 2014 22:39 Plansix wrote:
Oh, I forgot about Viper. I can rekt with him as well, but I think that is just the nature of the hero and everyone being dumbfounded by him in the trench.


razor is pretty good on trench level. Fight me? Free Dmg boys
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Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
August 07 2014 14:18 GMT
#121783
will/should there be any monetization for custom maps?
Everyone will race to be the first to release popular maps as their own and claim all the money.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
August 07 2014 14:21 GMT
#121784
On August 07 2014 20:58 goody153 wrote:
Vampirism
Pimp my Peon
pudge wars
X hero siege
Fight of Characters
Marvel TD (can't wait to make x-mazes again) and many other TD

omg can't wait

This
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 07 2014 14:21 GMT
#121785
On August 07 2014 23:18 Aixler wrote:
will/should there be any monetization for custom maps?
Everyone will race to be the first to release popular maps as their own and claim all the money.

Should be will totally be based on "will folks pay for it". Personally, I would like to see people making money because it will lead to higher quality maps. But like the work shop items, I want some sort of system by Valve to make sure I am not wading through piles of trash.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 07 2014 14:23 GMT
#121786
http://www.douyutv.com/Xavier

This guy's making the League map in Dota
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 14:24:45
August 07 2014 14:23 GMT
#121787
I'm 90% sure valve will do a stamp system like they have with TF2, you can buy stamps for popular maps which gives the creators some money + gives you a special thing when you play on those maps.

Having people pay to play custom maps would be as un-valve as possible.

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Map_Stamp
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 07 2014 14:33 GMT
#121788
It also runs into the problem that people like to try before they buy. I am sure they will work out a system that will support the creators. Maybe you need to "stamp" the map to use hero items in the map or something along those lines.

I demand some courier farming sim, where you raise and train couriers to work on the fields of Dota, and maybe battle. Or a game where people command armies of couriers. Beaver Knight vs Shagbark to the death.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 07 2014 14:42 GMT
#121789
What will happen if someone makes a LoL clone with all the champs and runes and shit for free and it's actually really good? People are saying the editor is really powerful so it might be possible. I wonder if Valve will allow the map makers to monetize it with whatever system they will choose to make. That seems like a really grey copyright area.
super gg
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 07 2014 14:43 GMT
#121790
On August 07 2014 23:42 cecek wrote:
What will happen if someone makes a LoL clone with all the champs and runes and shit for free and it's actually really good? People are saying the editor is really powerful so it might be possible. I wonder if Valve will allow the map makers to monetize it with whatever system they will choose to make. That seems like a really grey copyright area.

Not sure how its a grey copyright area.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 07 2014 14:46 GMT
#121791
On August 07 2014 23:43 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2014 23:42 cecek wrote:
What will happen if someone makes a LoL clone with all the champs and runes and shit for free and it's actually really good? People are saying the editor is really powerful so it might be possible. I wonder if Valve will allow the map makers to monetize it with whatever system they will choose to make. That seems like a really grey copyright area.

Not sure how its a grey copyright area.

It'll be a grey copyright area if someone makes a LoL clone.

Or like the Warcraft 3 campaign.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 14:50:03
August 07 2014 14:49 GMT
#121792
Ok, so this is what happens. They go into Valve legal and they look over all the issues and research the whole custom map thing and make some guidelines. In that those guidelines there will be a section:

“Do people get to make money from copies of the League of Legends map? Answer: Are you fucking retarded? Do you like getting sued and receiving nasty cease and desist letters? Anyone making that is wasting their fucking time if they want to make money”

Or something like that. Seriously, that’s going to be a big nope, Valve is not crazy. Riot would turn that into not a gray area super quick.
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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
August 07 2014 14:53 GMT
#121793
Well if HoN can copypaste dota heroes, only changing names and graphics, so can LoL map guy, right? HoN is still going.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 07 2014 14:55 GMT
#121794
Buuuuuut how grey would it be if people changed the models and names, but kept the gameplay the same
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 14:56:52
August 07 2014 14:55 GMT
#121795
Does that mean that we wont get "Naruto vs Shippuden Angel Wars Arena reloaded version 5.666"? Because if not, then it's going to seriously destroy my WC3 maps nostalgia.

Also, what if nobody was making any money from the lol clone? Would Valve delete it from Steam workshop?
super gg
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 14:59:12
August 07 2014 14:58 GMT
#121796
You can port LoL models into dota pretty easily i think. I know you can port them into SFM easily, for example.

Also custom maps are essentially workshop stuff so valve probably wouldn't delete it just because nobody made any money, no. Plenty of games have workshops that are completely non-profit after all.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 07 2014 15:00 GMT
#121797
On August 07 2014 23:58 Unleashing wrote:
You can port LoL models into dota pretty easily i think. I know you can port them into SFM easily, for example.

Also custom maps are essentially workshop stuff so valve probably wouldn't delete it just because nobody made any money, no. Plenty of games have workshops that are completely non-profit after all.

Yes I recall somebody made a League meets Dota video in SFM, and got death threats for it :p
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 07 2014 15:01 GMT
#121798
On August 07 2014 23:55 cecek wrote:
Does that mean that we wont get "Naruto vs Shippuden Angel Wars Arena reloaded version 5.666"? Because if not, then it's going to seriously destroy my WC3 maps nostalgia.

Also, what if nobody was making any money from the lol clone? Would Valve delete it from Steam workshop?

If no one was making money from it, it would be ok. If a fuck ton of people started playing it, it might end up on Riots litigation radar.

And folks, remember that every answer in the legal field is "maybe?". I have a case today where we know my client is 100% right, but they are paying out a settlement because they don't want to pay the costs to go to court and be right(and the cost is more than the settlement, which is why the case exists in the first place). Its the nature of the beast.

No one knows how a court would rule on a copy of a free to play game using different models, but the same map and some similar game play. At the end of the day Valve will remove stuff based on "do we want to fight with the copyright holder about this?", rather than any legal logic.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 07 2014 15:04 GMT
#121799
On August 08 2014 00:01 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2014 23:55 cecek wrote:
Does that mean that we wont get "Naruto vs Shippuden Angel Wars Arena reloaded version 5.666"? Because if not, then it's going to seriously destroy my WC3 maps nostalgia.

Also, what if nobody was making any money from the lol clone? Would Valve delete it from Steam workshop?

If no one was making money from it, it would be ok. If a fuck ton of people started playing it, it might end up on Riots litigation radar.

And folks, remember that every answer in the legal field is "maybe?". I have a case today where we know my client is 100% right, but they are paying out a settlement because they don't want to pay the costs to go to court and be right(and the cost is more than the settlement, which is why the case exists in the first place). Its the nature of the beast.

No one knows how a court would rule on a copy of a free to play game using different models, but the same map and some similar game play. At the end of the day Valve will remove stuff based on "do we want to fight with the copyright holder about this?", rather than any legal logic.

Hence, Outworld Devourer.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 15:06:40
August 07 2014 15:06 GMT
#121800
Plenty of mods like in skyrim are filled with copyrighted stuff though.
We'll have to see.
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