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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 07:59:29
June 18 2014 07:50 GMT
#114101
On June 18 2014 16:15 Velr wrote:
Thats why i like it.


And they tend to talk about item decisions and other stuff that other casters often completly ignore....
lol, if you've fooled yourself into believing (what many seem to believe) that there's any deep analysis in that cast then I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Their analysis is quite basic. I'm not saying they don't know the game, but when you put those 3 people together all they do is talk about basic shit.

And item decisions is the most common analysis there is. It's also the least interesting analysis there is especially when casters don't seem to grasp why players get items.

The worst part is how often casters seem to think that unusual item build orders are intended. Like the dreamleague cast harping on midas's when gotten at weird times, even though it's quite obvious that the players didn't originally plan to get midas in those games but the game state changed their mind.
Once you Goblak...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 18 2014 07:57 GMT
#114102
On June 18 2014 16:43 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:22 Kuroeeah wrote:
That Shane guy is the best, he would chime in from out of nowhere during a 40 minute game and say stuff like "I agree" or "This item seems good".

"I don't think x is out of this game yet"
x ggs 30 seconds later


I'm getting SC2 flashbacks now
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rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
June 18 2014 08:07 GMT
#114103
The SC2 flashbacks I get are casters saying "I think he's gonna call gg any second" and they say that for the next 5-10 minutes.

It looks really funny whenever the guy winning ends up choking and throwing away the "won game"
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 08:26:45
June 18 2014 08:23 GMT
#114104
If I cna do ancients with tidehunter at lvl 3 kraken shell, can I do jungle at lvl 1?

Shouldn't I max Kraken Shell first so I can do ancients faster?
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
June 18 2014 08:27 GMT
#114105
Well you won't have both kraken and anchor smash at level 1. So would probably take a whiile..
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 08:29:19
June 18 2014 08:29 GMT
#114106
level 1 kraken shell (with 1 level in anchor smash)
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Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
June 18 2014 09:25 GMT
#114107
you can but it's really fucking slow
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LLuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria228 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 09:46:14
June 18 2014 09:45 GMT
#114108
What I don't like too much about the GD Studio commentating (but this holds up for most casts, but play by play with the occasional analysis not as much) is how their cast always circumvene around the same points the made - like they talk about an item decision and pinpoint everything that went right/wrong to this item, disregarding many other aspects.
Somehow the casts always get so one-dimensional and often times it feels like someone has to be right/wrong - which I really don't understand..

So what really lacks, is as hfglgg said earlier a play by play caster that goes more by the game, not by the commentary. To sum up, I often feel like the game commentary is more like a postgame commentary.
Tripping off the beat kinda, dripping off the meatgrinder
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
June 18 2014 09:56 GMT
#114109
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
June 18 2014 09:59 GMT
#114110
On June 18 2014 18:45 LLuke wrote:
What I don't like too much about the GD Studio commentating (but this holds up for most casts, but play by play with the occasional analysis not as much) is how their cast always circumvene around the same points the made - like they talk about an item decision and pinpoint everything that went right/wrong to this item, disregarding many other aspects.
Somehow the casts always get so one-dimensional and often times it feels like someone has to be right/wrong - which I really don't understand..

So what really lacks, is as hfglgg said earlier a play by play caster that goes more by the game, not by the commentary. To sum up, I often feel like the game commentary is more like a postgame commentary.


Whenever I listen to GD studio im left wondering if something of value is being said because most of the time the answer is no. You have the bald guy making an assertion but never backing it up, Draskyl is talking about his pub games (he has gotten better at this), and Lumi is just keeps going off topic. They have a nice studio, world class teams, and every resource they could ask for and thats what they come up with. The sad thing is though, I think this is all they are capable of and I think Valve agrees. If I wanted someone new to get hyped about dota. GD studio, with their inside jokes and twitch meme pandering, is not what I would want to broadcast on the main stage.
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
June 18 2014 09:59 GMT
#114111
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 18 2014 10:10 GMT
#114112
On June 18 2014 18:59 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.


Yeah, I don't understand why
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 18 2014 10:18 GMT
#114113
On June 18 2014 19:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 18:59 SkelA wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.


Yeah, I don't understand why

basically?

butthurt. But its also accurate. Draskyl ain't done shit this year.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 18 2014 10:18 GMT
#114114
On June 18 2014 19:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 18:59 SkelA wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.


Yeah, I don't understand why

Because he apparently wasn't happy with what he was offered to cast.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 10:25:02
June 18 2014 10:23 GMT
#114115
On June 18 2014 19:18 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 19:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:59 SkelA wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.


Yeah, I don't understand why

Because he apparently wasn't happy with what he was offered to cast.


I doubt he gets invited next year tbh. Its not a good idea to give the developer of the game that you base your living off an ultimatum. In what world is that a good idea. He can be replaced so its not a big deal.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 18 2014 10:30 GMT
#114116
On June 18 2014 19:23 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 19:18 ahswtini wrote:
On June 18 2014 19:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:59 SkelA wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.


Yeah, I don't understand why

Because he apparently wasn't happy with what he was offered to cast.


I doubt he gets invited next year tbh. Its not a good idea to give the developer of the game that you base your living off an ultimatum. In what world is that a good idea. He can be replaced so its not a big deal.


I just think it looks narrow-minded to decline something over money (why even mention that publicly - if he did) in the face of one of the most press-covered events in eSports (off-hand speaking).

Plus, it's an event to celebrate eSports and Dota 2; to decline it over money is just something against the current of this subculture.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
GGitsJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand426 Posts
June 18 2014 10:33 GMT
#114117
GG

User was warned for this post
"A reason becomes an excuse if you don't do anything about it."
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 18 2014 10:34 GMT
#114118
On June 18 2014 19:18 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 19:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:59 SkelA wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.


Yeah, I don't understand why

Because he apparently wasn't happy with what he was offered to cast.

personally im glad because im really not a fan, only people attending who i dont like listening to are ayesee and LD
everyones got opinions though
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
June 18 2014 10:40 GMT
#114119
On June 18 2014 19:30 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 19:23 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On June 18 2014 19:18 ahswtini wrote:
On June 18 2014 19:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:59 SkelA wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.


Yeah, I don't understand why

Because he apparently wasn't happy with what he was offered to cast.


I doubt he gets invited next year tbh. Its not a good idea to give the developer of the game that you base your living off an ultimatum. In what world is that a good idea. He can be replaced so its not a big deal.


I just think it looks narrow-minded to decline something over money (why even mention that publicly - if he did) in the face of one of the most press-covered events in eSports (off-hand speaking).

Plus, it's an event to celebrate eSports and Dota 2; to decline it over money is just something against the current of this subculture.


My understanding was that it's because he was only offered to cast the group stage, and not the main event.
Nothing to do with money.

Personally I think he's one of the better casters at the moment but doesn't mesh well
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 10:44:16
June 18 2014 10:43 GMT
#114120
On June 18 2014 19:40 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 19:30 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 18 2014 19:23 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On June 18 2014 19:18 ahswtini wrote:
On June 18 2014 19:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:59 SkelA wrote:
On June 18 2014 18:56 ScarPe wrote:
no commentary is worse than LD and GoDs nowadays.
hoping for toby + draskyl in the grand finals of the intertional 4.


Read the last page. Draskyl is not coming to TI4.


Yeah, I don't understand why

Because he apparently wasn't happy with what he was offered to cast.


I doubt he gets invited next year tbh. Its not a good idea to give the developer of the game that you base your living off an ultimatum. In what world is that a good idea. He can be replaced so its not a big deal.


I just think it looks narrow-minded to decline something over money (why even mention that publicly - if he did) in the face of one of the most press-covered events in eSports (off-hand speaking).

Plus, it's an event to celebrate eSports and Dota 2; to decline it over money is just something against the current of this subculture.


My understanding was that it's because he was only offered to cast the group stage, and not the main event.
Nothing to do with money.

Personally I think he's one of the better casters at the moment but doesn't mesh well


Didnt tobi do something similar in 2012 and valve took the grandfinals from him? Point being, Tobi was the face of dota at that time and valve was not afraid to bench him.
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