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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 18:40:06
June 13 2014 18:38 GMT
#113641
I actually havnt seen an earth spirit in ages.
He's still my highest win rate hero though and probably always will be
Playing The completely op version of Es was by far the most fun I ever had playing dota
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 13 2014 18:39 GMT
#113642
On June 14 2014 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Try to get a farming lane and/or fast levels on tide. You can't really sacrifice urself to camp runes etc with that hero IMO. Need fast 6, fast mana boots, and really a fast level ~8 so that you can properly clear ancients. People who want you to support their antimage/void or whatever are dumb and need to be ignored

Tide sux at roaming, his slow is "meh", its hard to get anchor smash damage off and he BADLY needs levels.

PS i'm not sure what ur guides say but I think the current way to level tide is 1-1-4-1 into 1-4-4-2 so that you can do ancients and are super ultra unkillable.


Wait, you max W after E? Why?
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 18:41:04
June 13 2014 18:40 GMT
#113643
On June 14 2014 03:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Try to get a farming lane and/or fast levels on tide. You can't really sacrifice urself to camp runes etc with that hero IMO. Need fast 6, fast mana boots, and really a fast level ~8 so that you can properly clear ancients. People who want you to support their antimage/void or whatever are dumb and need to be ignored

Tide sux at roaming, his slow is "meh", its hard to get anchor smash damage off and he BADLY needs levels.

PS i'm not sure what ur guides say but I think the current way to level tide is 1-1-4-1 into 1-4-4-2 so that you can do ancients and are super ultra unkillable.


Wait, you max W after E? Why?

So you literally take no damage.

But I don't think maxing Gush would be a terrible support Tide build. It's the only thing he gives to the lane. Support Tide kinda sucks.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 13 2014 18:40 GMT
#113644
On June 14 2014 03:40 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 03:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 14 2014 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Try to get a farming lane and/or fast levels on tide. You can't really sacrifice urself to camp runes etc with that hero IMO. Need fast 6, fast mana boots, and really a fast level ~8 so that you can properly clear ancients. People who want you to support their antimage/void or whatever are dumb and need to be ignored

Tide sux at roaming, his slow is "meh", its hard to get anchor smash damage off and he BADLY needs levels.

PS i'm not sure what ur guides say but I think the current way to level tide is 1-1-4-1 into 1-4-4-2 so that you can do ancients and are super ultra unkillable.


Wait, you max W after E? Why?

So you literally take no damage.


Do I get a stout shield as starting as well?
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 13 2014 18:40 GMT
#113645
On June 14 2014 03:26 LeLoup wrote:
Skywrath is also a stupidly good support hero. Strong level 1 and if you have an LC or Beast master on your team you just insta kill on every gank together.

There is also something to be said about Shadow Demon as well. Though you must know how to use him properly or else you're a liability.

void & skywrath combo is insanely fun
especially if you get fed enough on skywrath to get aghs

i also found out recently that bkb doesn't remove concussive shot slow wtf
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 13 2014 18:41 GMT
#113646
The standard guide is 1-1-4-1. I use anchor smash to farm in jungle until I get that blink. I hold my ravage until I either get blink or see a good chance to get a kill at a pushed friendly tower. Once I have blink, then it's all about roaming to find kills.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 13 2014 18:41 GMT
#113647
On June 14 2014 03:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 03:40 SKC wrote:
On June 14 2014 03:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 14 2014 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Try to get a farming lane and/or fast levels on tide. You can't really sacrifice urself to camp runes etc with that hero IMO. Need fast 6, fast mana boots, and really a fast level ~8 so that you can properly clear ancients. People who want you to support their antimage/void or whatever are dumb and need to be ignored

Tide sux at roaming, his slow is "meh", its hard to get anchor smash damage off and he BADLY needs levels.

PS i'm not sure what ur guides say but I think the current way to level tide is 1-1-4-1 into 1-4-4-2 so that you can do ancients and are super ultra unkillable.


Wait, you max W after E? Why?

So you literally take no damage.


Do I get a stout shield as starting as well?

no :D
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 13 2014 18:42 GMT
#113648
It used to be W was just like "4 points gets u a stout shield" now the damage threshold for the purge comes down (which is huge) and the damage block is actually big numbers which combine super well with the damage reduction on anchor smash to make you take LITERALLY ACTUALLY NO LIE 0 damage from every creep in the game so you can farm super well. Gush doesn't improve that much as you level it. It could be maxed in some situations before w.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 13 2014 18:43 GMT
#113649
On June 14 2014 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
It used to be W was just like "4 points gets u a stout shield" now the damage threshold for the purge comes down (which is huge) and the damage block is actually big numbers which combine super well with the damage reduction on anchor smash to make you take LITERALLY ACTUALLY NO LIE 0 damage from every creep in the game so you can farm super well. Gush doesn't improve that much as you level it. It could be maxed in some situations before w.


So how does that work with Ancients? I didn't think they were affected by E
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 18:45:03
June 13 2014 18:43 GMT
#113650
Most recent patch made the damage reduction affect ancients (but not rosh).

You actually jsut hit ancients and they "attack" you for no damage LOL.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 18:45:02
June 13 2014 18:44 GMT
#113651
On June 14 2014 03:43 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
It used to be W was just like "4 points gets u a stout shield" now the damage threshold for the purge comes down (which is huge) and the damage block is actually big numbers which combine super well with the damage reduction on anchor smash to make you take LITERALLY ACTUALLY NO LIE 0 damage from every creep in the game so you can farm super well. Gush doesn't improve that much as you level it. It could be maxed in some situations before w.


So how does that work with Ancients? I didn't think they were affected by E

oh boy

You should try that sometime
On June 14 2014 03:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Most recent patch made the damage reduction affect ancients (but not rosh).

Technically not the most recent patch, but yeah, it's fairly new
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 13 2014 18:44 GMT
#113652
PS: here's the guide

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128912519

I haven't played tide in awhile to be frank
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 18:47:47
June 13 2014 18:46 GMT
#113653
Kraken Shell description is definatelly outdated, the threshold changes.
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Tidehunter

That was even before the ancients change
Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
June 13 2014 18:47 GMT
#113654
Update: What happened a few days ago pushed this thread further towards being locked. Stop giving us reasons to lock it.
Please keep IRC chatter on IRC and off the forums.

can i get a link to what happened,fkn missed the drama
u gotta farm
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 18:48:55
June 13 2014 18:47 GMT
#113655
Yeah the guide says "only one level is needed in shell due to the constant damage threshold" which was true when we helped u write that guide 10 versions ago but is no longer true (shell has been buffed like 4 consecutive times).

And yeah the ancients change was 6.81 not 6.81b my bad

Anyway, like I said the reason that you max shell is BOTH that the threshold changes AND that combined with the ancients change u can now farm ancients with the damage block from it + splash.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 13 2014 18:49 GMT
#113656
On June 14 2014 03:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah the guide says "only one level is needed in shell due to the constant damage threshold" which was true when we helped u write that guide 10 versions ago but is no longer true (shell has been buffed like 4 consecutive times).

And yeah the ancients change was 6.81 not 6.81b my bad

Anyway, like I said the reason that you max shell is BOTH that the threshold changes AND that combined with the ancients change u can now farm ancients with the damage block from it + splash.


Yeah, I'm trying to finish this game and then I'll update it with max E then W with one in Q before 6!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
June 13 2014 18:49 GMT
#113657
Losing faith in Torte's builds here! Doesn't even know how to skill Tide.

RIOT
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 13 2014 18:50 GMT
#113658
On June 14 2014 03:49 Laurens wrote:
Losing faith in Torte's builds here! Doesn't even know how to skill Tide.

RIOT


nah bro, im just a puppet who clicks the buttons!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 13 2014 18:50 GMT
#113659
He was right when he wrote it, and all the changes to the skills have been so gradual that it was hard to say "well that changes things" especially since the change that actually made max shell viable (IMO) was actually a change to his anchor smash LOL.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 13 2014 18:51 GMT
#113660
The issue is that Tide become a much greedier support. You offer even less in lane, could use the levels even more and even benefit from supports stacking the ancients. Plus he can handle the offlane better. It's not for nothing that his role changed.
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