EPTGeneral Discussion - Page 5684
| Forum Index > Dota 2 General |
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2 Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads. | ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
| ||
|
Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
| ||
|
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On June 14 2014 03:52 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, i mean icefraud has constantly been making all "supports" greedier (Adding godlike aghs upgrades for rubick/aa/lina/etc, buffing scaling passives, etc), which fits with the 6.79 passive gold increase. I don't mean it in that way, I mean you lane will suck so you have to rely on your opponents getting an even shittier lane or not exploiting it. | ||
|
Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
done! Thanks :D | ||
|
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
I really wouldn't put support as the main role for Tide right now. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Whether or not you take the 4th rank of Kraken or level Gush after that depends on the game. | ||
idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 14 2014 04:07 TheYango wrote: For farming Ancients, you only need to get Kraken Shell to rank 3. The big ancients all only do ~80 top-end damage (Thunder Lizards are 78, Black Dragons 81, and Golems 87), which means Kraken+Anchor Smash reduces to 1 damage against anything that's not a big Golem (the small creeps don't come close). The 4th rank effectively doesn't improve this at all. Whether or not you take the 4th rank of Kraken or level Gush after that depends on the game. Thanks! It's surprising how much text can fit in these boxes now! This is seriously cool about Tidehunter, I naively had no idea he could do Ancients now! | ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 14 2014 04:08 idonthinksobro wrote: personally i usually don't even get gush, anymore in most cases. In the offlane every point counts, in shitty dual-offlanes i stack ancients and become a shitty version of beast master. I'd hold a skill point honestly. There's not a reason to immediately skill as you get it, particularly with Kraken Shell (can just dump the point in when you're about to clear your stack or they're about to go on you), and having the option to instantly skill Gush the moment you need it is useful, because if you get a kill the skill point instantly becomes worth it anyway. | ||
|
Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
| ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 14 2014 04:21 Sn0_Man wrote: I will say that outside of the ancients farming case, the 4th rank of kraken shell is still reasonably efficient since the more you reduce something the better it is by percentage (aka going from 100 to 90 damage is 10% decrease, whereas going from 70 to 60 damage is 14% decrease). The difference from 500->450 threshold is similarly more efficient than from 600->550. The thing is, the usefulness of the damage threshold reduction also varies in a different way: its more useful when the threshold takes you below values close to expected bursts of incoming damage (nukes/autoattacks/etc.). In this regard, I would consider 550->500 to actually be the more useful threshold. Most 4th rank nukes do ~300 damage (~225 after reductions), which means that 450 damage is basically 2 nukes worth of damage, whereas 500 is 2 nukes + some extra damage. The 450-500 difference is not likely to be meaningful because of how close to 450 is to exactly 2 nukes of damage (you're more likely to take a nuke, some autoattacks or minor damage, then the 2nd nuke, rather than instantly 2 nukes straight up). Again, I think it varies a lot from game to game how useful the 4th rank of Kraken is vs. the 2nd rank of Gush (especially since -armor already is something that has wildly varying usefulness depending on team compositions). It's not as straightforward as the first 3 ranks which are motivated by ancient farming. | ||
|
Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
But yes, there's definitely lots of reasons to start levelling gush too. Every decision is always game dependant. | ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
| ||
|
Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
(not qq, we won easily) | ||
|
teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
| ||
|
Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I mean, i'm sure ur tide was a retard but you do farm fast if u do it rihgt. However u really need to be a threat whenever ravage is up as tide since that's his big strength. On June 14 2014 04:49 teddyoojo wrote: was his name tortedelini LOL | ||
|
Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 14 2014 04:49 teddyoojo wrote: was his name tortedelini ROFL | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
| ||
| ||
