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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44292 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 12:01:45
May 04 2014 11:54 GMT
#105741
On May 04 2014 20:32 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 20:06 cilinder007 wrote:
On May 04 2014 19:47 Acritter wrote:
You should probably also point out that over the course of the fight, ES will probably get an extra remnant. There are a lot of options. It also helps that ES is great at helping his team disengage from poor situations, so those awkward teamfights can be delayed a little to make them stronger.

Using ES for ember spirit is not very unambigious

ES is for EarthShaker or Ember Spirit or Earth Spirit?

Or does it mean Energy Shield? Hmm

Doesn't matter all are annoying to play against.

although we have been calling ES = earth shaker for a long time .. idk about you guys
this is a quote
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
May 04 2014 11:58 GMT
#105742
On May 04 2014 19:46 Morufi1 wrote:
I just got a new friend into dota and he tried to play the tutorial, but the "Davion, the dragon knight" level just gave him the intro video over and over. I tried it and have the same problem, is there a way to fix this?

I think I got this bug as well. What about watching the video all the way through to the end. I think it then presents you with a button to move to the first tutorial.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
May 04 2014 11:58 GMT
#105743
ES is dead because u cant pull ancients anymore =/
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 12:29:35
May 04 2014 12:06 GMT
#105744
On May 04 2014 18:44 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 11:52 Belisarius wrote:
On May 04 2014 11:25 Erasme wrote:
it's absolutely not, you can play es fine with 2stones, you're just not gonna be the one killing everyone
like enigma


1) you don't draft a hero to play it "fine", you draft a hero to use it to its capacity.

2)
Enigma can farm jungle, push lanes and participate in ganks with his other skills while waiting for hole to come up, and then participate in a teamfight at 100% effectiveness every 180s regardless of whatever else he's been doing, provided he has hp/mana.

Kaolin cannot. That doesn't mean he is underpowered, it means he is different. Everything he does in the interim affects his power when the real fight comes. If he wants to be at 100% effectiveness for a teamfight, he must start playing much more passively than he otherwise would in order to conserve stones. They are fundamentally different mechanisms and there are very few other heroes who operate like this.

I think that 30s stone cd is probably fine, and I think there's no point buffing him further until we see him in CM. But whether or not it's fine is much more complex than pointing at other heroes' ult CDs.

So enigma can wait 180sec but es cant ? you really want es to be buffed.
Every hero isnt at 100% capacity when his skills are on cd, and yet some are still picked, get over it
kaolin can do quite a few things with only 2stones btw


I clearly said that I didn't think he should be buffed until he's explored in CM. If you can't even read what I write, there's no point discussing anything. You can't see the difference between a 180s CD with independent supporting skills and a hero who has a shared CD for every skill he uses. That's nice, good for you.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 12:33:52
May 04 2014 12:28 GMT
#105745
You're clearly not very familiar with ES or dota so whats the point
es can be useful without stones or with little stones, enigma without blackhole is a big creep with a good stun gz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Morufi1
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany49 Posts
May 04 2014 12:28 GMT
#105746
On May 04 2014 20:58 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 19:46 Morufi1 wrote:
I just got a new friend into dota and he tried to play the tutorial, but the "Davion, the dragon knight" level just gave him the intro video over and over. I tried it and have the same problem, is there a way to fix this?

I think I got this bug as well. What about watching the video all the way through to the end. I think it then presents you with a button to move to the first tutorial.


No, then you only get some achievment like stuff and get back to the mission choice.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
May 04 2014 12:30 GMT
#105747
On May 04 2014 20:54 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 20:32 Mithhaike wrote:
On May 04 2014 20:06 cilinder007 wrote:
On May 04 2014 19:47 Acritter wrote:
You should probably also point out that over the course of the fight, ES will probably get an extra remnant. There are a lot of options. It also helps that ES is great at helping his team disengage from poor situations, so those awkward teamfights can be delayed a little to make them stronger.

Using ES for ember spirit is not very unambigious

ES is for EarthShaker or Ember Spirit or Earth Spirit?

Or does it mean Energy Shield? Hmm

Doesn't matter all are annoying to play against.

although we have been calling ES = earth shaker for a long time .. idk about you guys


ES is Shaker to me. Ember Spirit is Ember or Xin, Earth Spirit is Kaolin.

I feel like Valve could have worked on their acronyms a bit. I mean, "Ember" isn't even that obvious a fire-related word. They could have picked like five other things that would have started with a different letter.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 04 2014 12:40 GMT
#105748


sweet baby jesus
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
May 04 2014 12:54 GMT
#105749
PPGs what a cartoon
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 04 2014 12:56 GMT
#105750
On May 04 2014 21:28 Erasme wrote:
You clearly don't play ES or dota at a good level so whats the point
es can be useful without stones or with little stones, enigma without blackhole is a big creep with a good stun gz

Well comparing Kaolin without stones and Enigma without BH is a bit weird but whatever. Enigma can use the downtime a lot more effectively because he can actually farm. Kaolins farming rate is like the worst in the game.

Death and decay still does a fair amount of damage throughout the game. His minions does a lot of damage + good for pushing etc. And when the minions falls off in fights he will have items to help the team like hex/shivas/whatever.

Once Kaolin is out of stones it's like effectively putting a 1minute CD to use both his stun and silence. That's a bit too much considering they don't do insanely much damage + the stun is relatively hard to land . And if you use them, it will increase your ulti CD of it's max damage potential with another minute.

I still think Kaolin has the potential to be really strong utility. But his cooldowns are just a bit too high for a that type of hero atm.
리노크 👑
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 04 2014 13:55 GMT
#105751
I think Kaolin is okay.
People just stop playing him since Icefrog laid down the huge nerfhammer on him.
Maybe Icefrog just have to do minor buffs/rescale his Boulder Smash to bring him back.

His stone cooldown is fine i think.

Before that, he could just spam his stones,pull, roll in and boulder smash and ulti for ez kills since the stone remnant is low.
Now you cannot do that anymore.
You actually have to be mindful of how to use ur rocks.
Play your best
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 04 2014 14:36 GMT
#105752
pretty sure kaolin would be op in cm right now
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
May 04 2014 14:40 GMT
#105753
Earth Spirit kinda sucks because if somehow you use all your stones you can't fight for the next year and a half.
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 14:59:59
May 04 2014 14:52 GMT
#105754
theres a weird bug. our enemy can hear us talking in our voice chat what the fuck valve
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
May 04 2014 15:10 GMT
#105755
How are Enigma and Kaolin even remotely comparable? They're completely different heroes with completely different skill sets
Dodge arrows
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 04 2014 15:13 GMT
#105756
On May 04 2014 23:52 Delphiki wrote:
theres a weird bug. our enemy can hear us talking in our voice chat what the fuck valve

happens quite frequently, not many use voice chat so its doesnt get noticed all too often

happens very regularly in pro games where a team can hear the casters
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
May 04 2014 15:56 GMT
#105757
On May 05 2014 00:10 TheSubtleArt wrote:
How are Enigma and Kaolin even remotely comparable? They're completely different heroes with completely different skill sets

Dont know why you expect people to know what they're talking about in this thread
wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
May 04 2014 16:57 GMT
#105758
On May 04 2014 20:00 xAdra wrote:
Any idea why the Lion Hand cosmetic that VG.fy uses, Carapace of Buki'Vak the corrupted, is so goddarn expensive on the steam market? It's 3 bucks++ for an uncommon item.


Available in store as set, i think not sure. Its the finger dude. Ofc its expensive lol
Yungin' Leanin' with Pourple Drink
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 04 2014 16:58 GMT
#105759
On May 05 2014 00:56 Fatalize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 00:10 TheSubtleArt wrote:
How are Enigma and Kaolin even remotely comparable? They're completely different heroes with completely different skill sets

Dont know why you expect people to know what they're talking about in this thread

Need a Dota equivalent to "Low masters/high diamond"
리노크 👑
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 17:17:39
May 04 2014 17:15 GMT
#105760
On May 05 2014 01:58 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 00:56 Fatalize wrote:
On May 05 2014 00:10 TheSubtleArt wrote:
How are Enigma and Kaolin even remotely comparable? They're completely different heroes with completely different skill sets

Dont know why you expect people to know what they're talking about in this thread

Need a Dota equivalent to "Low masters/high diamond"

xept id be a bit higher than that
On May 05 2014 00:56 Fatalize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 00:10 TheSubtleArt wrote:
How are Enigma and Kaolin even remotely comparable? They're completely different heroes with completely different skill sets

Dont know why you expect people to know what they're talking about in this thread

its not bc you don't understand it that it doesnt have any sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
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