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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 03 2014 22:33 GMT
#105701
ya it is but the guy is still a monster with that hero even now
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
May 03 2014 22:39 GMT
#105702
So I took a long break from Dota around the time earth spirit came out, so I never played with him is his full imba incarnation.

That video is disgusting.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 03 2014 22:54 GMT
#105703
On May 03 2014 23:27 EmilA wrote:
God it's frustrating to pick support only to realize that the rest of your team are fucking miles below you. My games @ 5.4k were either with people waay above me (6-6.2k where each team had one laggard, me being one) or teams of 4.8k players who instalock mid/carry but suck so much ass that you're doomed if the other teams high-mmr guy goes mid. I feel like my only chance is going back to instalocking mid heroes, but that makes me a burden in the games where the other players are legitimately better than me. Sigh.

yeah i have the same issue, it stopped me from playing on that account
also i legit beat jerax es before the nerfs AMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 03 2014 22:56 GMT
#105704
I think Earthspirit still need some buffs to his Stone recharge timer. 30x6 is a bit much to get them all back after a fight. Otherwise the hero is good now.
리노크 👑
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 03 2014 23:00 GMT
#105705
iono theres a lot of ult with high cooldown, and you don't need every stones to be useful
also w33 still destroys with him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
May 03 2014 23:13 GMT
#105706
since is earth spirit talk time

there is anyway to have infinity remnants on private lobby?

-refresh doesn't work
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
May 03 2014 23:15 GMT
#105707
Jesus, did Dendi win a single game on stream today? Whenever I turn in he's losing.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
May 03 2014 23:29 GMT
#105708
On May 04 2014 08:15 Slomo wrote:
Jesus, did Dendi win a single game on stream today? Whenever I turn in he's losing.


Same lol
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 23:39:27
May 03 2014 23:38 GMT
#105709
On May 04 2014 08:00 Erasme wrote:
iono theres a lot of ult with high cooldown, and you don't need every stones to be useful
also w33 still destroys with him


The trouble with comparison to long ult timers is that those heroes can still use their other skills in the meantime. If kaolin is down to one rock and knows there's a big teamfight coming, he literally can't do anything for the next minute or he risks not contributing. That said, down to 30s helps.

I wouldn't mind seeing the nerfs to his kick range reverted as well; everything IF did to tone down his original incarnation is kind of irrelevant now that grip and pull are switched.

I do think it's a hero that has to be in CM before we make any real judgements. The skill ceiling is just so high that it's impossible to call him underpowered until we see what he looks like in a real game.
ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
May 03 2014 23:48 GMT
#105710
On May 03 2014 23:27 EmilA wrote:
God it's frustrating to pick support only to realize that the rest of your team are fucking miles below you. My games @ 5.4k were either with people waay above me (6-6.2k where each team had one laggard, me being one) or teams of 4.8k players who instalock mid/carry but suck so much ass that you're doomed if the other teams high-mmr guy goes mid. I feel like my only chance is going back to instalocking mid heroes, but that makes me a burden in the games where the other players are legitimately better than me. Sigh.

Just check what page you are on during the loading screen.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 03 2014 23:50 GMT
#105711
its ok danil dendi ishtutin is a 3 time international finalist i dont think it matters if he loses pub games
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
May 03 2014 23:55 GMT
#105712
On May 04 2014 08:38 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 08:00 Erasme wrote:
iono theres a lot of ult with high cooldown, and you don't need every stones to be useful
also w33 still destroys with him


The trouble with comparison to long ult timers is that those heroes can still use their other skills in the meantime. If kaolin is down to one rock and knows there's a big teamfight coming, he literally can't do anything for the next minute or he risks not contributing. That said, down to 30s helps.

I wouldn't mind seeing the nerfs to his kick range reverted as well; everything IF did to tone down his original incarnation is kind of irrelevant now that grip and pull are switched.

I do think it's a hero that has to be in CM before we make any real judgements. The skill ceiling is just so high that it's impossible to call him underpowered until we see what he looks like in a real game.

i'm not a great ES player but seems like you never have mana problems with him so you just have to care about how you are using yours stones

but maybe he could have a agha upgrade for that
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
May 03 2014 23:58 GMT
#105713
im sorry but it's been PROVEN by e-sports specialists from reddit and gosugamers that the lower a player's mmr coincides directly with their passion for the game.

danil dendi ishtutin is losing his passion for dota.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 04 2014 00:00 GMT
#105714
On May 04 2014 08:13 pedrlz wrote:
since is earth spirit talk time

there is anyway to have infinity remnants on private lobby?

-refresh doesn't work

-wtf
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 04 2014 00:59 GMT
#105715
Shit, why did nobody tell me Ursa was so fun? You just get to man up on people all game.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
May 04 2014 01:17 GMT
#105716
Daily Reminder Dota had better Music then Sc (tempo etc)

http://nadota.com/images/banners/FullDisstoSelect.mp3
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 04 2014 01:29 GMT
#105717
dope beat & impeccable flow
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 04 2014 01:49 GMT
#105718
select was such a little shit in dota 2 pub games just tried bding all day with lothars drow ranger in my games
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 02:14:08
May 04 2014 02:08 GMT
#105719
On May 04 2014 08:55 pedrlz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2014 08:38 Belisarius wrote:
On May 04 2014 08:00 Erasme wrote:
iono theres a lot of ult with high cooldown, and you don't need every stones to be useful
also w33 still destroys with him


The trouble with comparison to long ult timers is that those heroes can still use their other skills in the meantime. If kaolin is down to one rock and knows there's a big teamfight coming, he literally can't do anything for the next minute or he risks not contributing. That said, down to 30s helps.

I wouldn't mind seeing the nerfs to his kick range reverted as well; everything IF did to tone down his original incarnation is kind of irrelevant now that grip and pull are switched.

I do think it's a hero that has to be in CM before we make any real judgements. The skill ceiling is just so high that it's impossible to call him underpowered until we see what he looks like in a real game.

i'm not a great ES player but seems like you never have mana problems with him so you just have to care about how you are using yours stones

but maybe he could have a agha upgrade for that


Yeah, except if you need mana before a teamfight you can just go back to the foutain, but you can't do that for stones.

The stones mechanic is really interesting as pseudo-mana and by and large I like it. My point is that the common response ("black hole is a 180s cd so it's fine for kaolin to that long to regen all his stones") is really comparing two different things.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 04 2014 02:25 GMT
#105720
it's absolutely not, you can play es fine with 2stones, you're just not gonna be the one killing everyone
like enigma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
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