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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:43:36
April 21 2014 15:43 GMT
#103741
Damn I was hoping you'd figured out how to do easy rosh + ancient farm in the first 10 mins of the game as a no-abilities SF. I needed dat secret info man
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makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:53:34
April 21 2014 15:51 GMT
#103742
On April 22 2014 00:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Damn I was hoping you'd figured out how to do easy rosh + ancient farm in the first 10 mins of the game as a no-abilities SF. I needed dat secret info man

If you mean the last hitting drill, then only thing I can say is that it's not a good exercise.
As constructive as it could've been, I probably should clarify (just in case), that putting yourself in a vacuum will never help you that much in real life scenarios when it comes to training. Muscle memory is one thing, but it won't help you much when the aggro is constantly shifting and your enemy is trying to actively disrupt your csing, so you are much better off queuing unranked and practicing there.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:55:41
April 21 2014 15:55 GMT
#103743
Its more of a benchmark than a drill IMO. Doing it 50 times is unlikely to make you too much better but it does give you an idea of where you are at.

regardless, I was just poking fun at goody.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:57:23
April 21 2014 15:56 GMT
#103744
It's good when you're new to Dota or if you've been away for a while.

Or even just to do with a new hero to get a feel for the animations.
Once you Goblak...
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 16:06:52
April 21 2014 15:58 GMT
#103745
On April 22 2014 00:34 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:33 sfasdfasdf wrote:
On April 21 2014 12:53 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There are also a lot more heroes now. But yeah, for a little bit Riki was the AM counter. Generally AM doesn't want to be forced into either a BKB or an MKB, so Smoke was awesome against him.

Oddly, WK is actually reasonably legit right now. He's in a decent place. I think only EG are really picking him but they're using it well enough that it's getting banned every now and then against them.

Have you seen EternaLEnVy's WK? It's pretty beastly.

I think EG is the only one to use it as a support though, if that's what he means. A lot of theams have used carry WK.


There a few Eastern teams picking him, and I think they've run it as support a few times.
One of the players from Execration (SEA) plays it all the time in official matches.
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
April 21 2014 16:12 GMT
#103746
what happened to my SK why is everyone calling him WK wtf
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 16:17:07
April 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#103747
Was just asking. Been doing it a few times the past days, just to get back in shape a bit and I consistently get 10-20 cs less on radiant, while constantly performing better on dire overall - not even dropping my highgest radiant cs benchmark. Just felt it's weird. Don't wanna be alone, lol.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 21 2014 16:17 GMT
#103748
He now goes by Yolo King or Baller King.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 21 2014 16:19 GMT
#103749
On April 22 2014 01:15 Talron wrote:
Was just asking. Been doing it a few times the past days, just to get back in shape a bit and I consistently get 10-20 cs less on radiant, while constantly performing better on dire overall - not even dropping my highgest radiant cs benchmark. Just felt it's weird. Don't wanna be alone, lol.

Dunno i've never experienced this. Do you make sure to stay on highground always? There's more space on dire high-ground for a creep wave to stall there and if you don't reposition you could miss lasthits as radiant SF in that manner. 10-20 is a lot though.

Maybe its real, I suppose I've only ever done the sf challenge as Radiant (PS i have more success blocking as radiant).
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 21 2014 16:39 GMT
#103750
block as dire is a lot harder for some reason

guess it has something to do with camera angles as someone mentioned earlier
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zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
April 21 2014 16:41 GMT
#103751
dire block is way easier to do for me
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 21 2014 16:46 GMT
#103752
Dire block has the issue that when passing the T2 tower, if you block too hard, one of the creeps goes around the the tower and you have to stop your block to stay ahead of that creep and pick up your block again after it rejoins the other creeps. The Radiant creep wave passes further from the T2 tower so this doesn't happen.

It happens less than in DotA 1 because creep pathing is better, but it still happens.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 16:47:57
April 21 2014 16:47 GMT
#103753
unless u do the rtz thingy, dire block is easier
but radiant has the medium camp
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 21 2014 16:48 GMT
#103754
I don't know why it's attributed to Arteezy when that block's been known for years since DotA 1.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 16:49:00
April 21 2014 16:48 GMT
#103755
I've had pathing bugs twice in the last week in dota where I tell my hero to go somewhere (generally 1+ screens away) and it kinda walks into a corner and then spins in circles/twitches back and forth. Volvo pls
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 21 2014 16:52 GMT
#103756
maybe I'm just used to radiant side from dota1
I find that on dire I sometimes position my camera poorly and I click on the top right corner of the minimap on accident

On April 22 2014 01:48 TheYango wrote:
I don't know why it's attributed to Arteezy when that block's been known for years since DotA 1.

'the block where you start at the tower' > 'rtz block'
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 21 2014 16:54 GMT
#103757
On April 22 2014 01:48 TheYango wrote:
I don't know why it's attributed to Arteezy when that block's been known for years since DotA 1.


He made it popular for unwashed masses.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 21 2014 16:56 GMT
#103758
On April 22 2014 01:52 andyrau wrote:
maybe I'm just used to radiant side from dota1
I find that on dire I sometimes position my camera poorly and I click on the top right corner of the minimap on accident

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:48 TheYango wrote:
I don't know why it's attributed to Arteezy when that block's been known for years since DotA 1.

'the block where you start at the tower' > 'rtz block'

I think he knows what it refers to
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
April 21 2014 17:07 GMT
#103759
On April 22 2014 00:34 SKC wrote:
I used to hate Scourge since we hosted every game and were always on Sentinel, but it's far more unlikely for people to be that uncomfortable on one side in Dota 2, with matchmaking. The camera angle is diferent but it's far what I could see causing heavy differences.
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:33 sfasdfasdf wrote:
On April 21 2014 12:53 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There are also a lot more heroes now. But yeah, for a little bit Riki was the AM counter. Generally AM doesn't want to be forced into either a BKB or an MKB, so Smoke was awesome against him.

Oddly, WK is actually reasonably legit right now. He's in a decent place. I think only EG are really picking him but they're using it well enough that it's getting banned every now and then against them.

Have you seen EternaLEnVy's WK? It's pretty beastly.

I think EG is the only one to use it as a support though, if that's what he means. A lot of theams have used carry WK.


Yeah. I think of WK more as an unconventional support than a carry at this point. And I don't think any of the teams that have used WK as a carry have done enough with it specifically to get it banned. Some of the various French stacks have had it banned against them, but that's more because they weren't actually good enough to win games by playing normally. So you just banned all their stupid pocket strats, let them take whatever OP heroes they could get, and then just won anyway.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
April 21 2014 17:10 GMT
#103760
On April 22 2014 01:46 TheYango wrote:
Dire block has the issue that when passing the T2 tower, if you block too hard, one of the creeps goes around the the tower and you have to stop your block to stay ahead of that creep and pick up your block again after it rejoins the other creeps. The Radiant creep wave passes further from the T2 tower so this doesn't happen.

It happens less than in DotA 1 because creep pathing is better, but it still happens.

Apparently it's different to the one in DotA 1, but then again what do I know
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