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Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
April 20 2014 22:57 GMT
#103701
Are we talking about shitposting on reddit

#Elitist Tl
"Yeah, I send (hopefully) helpful PM's quite frequently. You don't have to warn/ban everything" - KadaverBB
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
April 20 2014 23:03 GMT
#103702
On April 21 2014 03:17 Fwizzz wrote:
Nobody plays huskar competitively. I think he needs remake or buffs.

I miss ghost scepter huskar.


Lol, I do too, but you have to admit that shit was BS.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 20 2014 23:22 GMT
#103703
I don't think Huskar needed both the change to Ghost Scepter AND a stat nerf like he got.

One or the other was probably enough.
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
April 20 2014 23:25 GMT
#103704
I really just think the whole concept of the hero is bullshit, and like Broodmother, I'm pretty happy he's gone.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2014 23:39 GMT
#103705
Huskar is the pubstome 9000, like riki. There is only so much pain you can't inflict on the people who don't know to buy sentry ward or that Huskar is made of glass.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
April 20 2014 23:47 GMT
#103706
It's just so desperately un-fun to be a support who gets jumped on, hit twice with Burning Spear and dies. Like, yeah, it's clearly a favorable trade, it's just stupid. I'd be completely fine with the hero if Spears didn't do so insanely much damage early game. Take away some of their damage, give it something that makes it not completely shit late game, buff his stats or something, and maybe we're onto something. Maybe a much smaller amount of damage, plus a tiny, stacking % damage amplification effect that went through BKB.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-20 23:49:19
April 20 2014 23:48 GMT
#103707
Honestly the funniest thing about the Huskar Berserker's Blood remake is that before the change 99% of pubs had the wrong idea of him as an early fighting hero when really the strength of BB was as a farming passive that let you farm jungle/ancients crazy fast for a really early Armlet+1 item timing. Then Icefrog killed BB's farming power and made it into a fighting passive which suddenly made it such that everyone who was playing him wrong by going to fights too early and throwing away their tempo was actually playing the hero correctly now.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2014 23:56 GMT
#103708
On April 21 2014 08:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
It's just so desperately un-fun to be a support who gets jumped on, hit twice with Burning Spear and dies. Like, yeah, it's clearly a favorable trade, it's just stupid. I'd be completely fine with the hero if Spears didn't do so insanely much damage early game. Take away some of their damage, give it something that makes it not completely shit late game, buff his stats or something, and maybe we're onto something. Maybe a much smaller amount of damage, plus a tiny, stacking % damage amplification effect that went through BKB.

The worst part is that nothing stops that leap, ever. So if your not right next to a melee carry, he is going to do it and walk away. Sure, in theory a lot of stuff stops is, but nothing in practice.

Personally, I like getting Sven against Huskar, or Yolo King. Because nothing says loving like a huge crit right to his face.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-20 23:59:44
April 20 2014 23:56 GMT
#103709
Which is weird, Yango. Can you think of another time he's so clearly thrown his hands up in the air and gone "FINE I GIVE UP PLAY HIM HOW YOU WANT" on a hero? Tree has never been anything but a support, no matter how often people've tried to rush Mom/Basher or Battlefury or Radiance or whatever on him. None of the oh-so-popular jungle carries - LD and Lifestealer - have actually gotten better at jungling over time. It's basically unprecedented in Dota for so many people to play a hero so counter to how he should be played that the hero gets changed to accommodate that playstyle.

Plansix, even when he doesn't walk away, if he's level 7 and has max Spears, you're dead. If you're level 4, because you've been lane supporting and doing some roaming and stuff, you're straight up dead if he jumps you and hits you once or twice. And it's good for you and your team, because he'll probably die first if there are other people around and you'll get experience, but it totally blows as an experience. The only comparable experience is when a hero like SB or Ursa gets a BKB and just decides they have a hard-on for you. And at least the BKB loses charges, and at least it requires some farm to do.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 21 2014 00:01 GMT
#103710
On April 21 2014 08:56 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Which is weird, Yango. Can you think of another time he's so clearly thrown his hands up in the air and gone "FINE I GIVE UP PLAY HIM HOW YOU WANT" on a hero? Tree has never been anything but a support, no matter how often people've tried to rush Mom/Basher or Battlefury or Radiance or whatever on him. None of the oh-so-popular jungle carries - LD and Lifestealer - have actually gotten better at jungling over time. It's basically unprecedented in Dota for so many people to play a hero so counter to how he should be played that the hero gets changed to accommodate that playstyle.

I agree that it's weird. Truth be told, I actually liked pre-remake Huskar a lot better, and I think it was a great pub carry (even though the nature of his strengths made him unsuited to competitive play) that was wrongly seen as too weak due to the vast majority of players playing him incorrectly.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 21 2014 01:31 GMT
#103711
Hmm. I wish it would go back to old Huskar, and I could try him as a fast farming hero, I never thought of it like that...
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 21 2014 01:46 GMT
#103712
On April 21 2014 10:31 Zealos wrote:
Hmm. I wish it would go back to old Huskar, and I could try him as a fast farming hero, I never thought of it like that...

There was some pub player who mained huskar on USE, I ran into him several times and everytime was like "whoops, forgot that guy always did that" because he would do roshan at lycan/ursa level timings and farmed like crazy. (He might have jungled him? This was a looong time ago) I always wondered what he did after huskar got reworked.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 21 2014 01:52 GMT
#103713
On April 21 2014 10:46 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 10:31 Zealos wrote:
Hmm. I wish it would go back to old Huskar, and I could try him as a fast farming hero, I never thought of it like that...

There was some pub player who mained huskar on USE, I ran into him several times and everytime was like "whoops, forgot that guy always did that" because he would do roshan at lycan/ursa level timings and farmed like crazy. (He might have jungled him? This was a looong time ago) I always wondered what he did after huskar got reworked.

drowned himself in alcohol

thanks icefrog
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 21 2014 01:54 GMT
#103714
thanks blizzard
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 21 2014 01:57 GMT
#103715
On April 21 2014 10:46 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 10:31 Zealos wrote:
Hmm. I wish it would go back to old Huskar, and I could try him as a fast farming hero, I never thought of it like that...

There was some pub player who mained huskar on USE, I ran into him several times and everytime was like "whoops, forgot that guy always did that" because he would do roshan at lycan/ursa level timings and farmed like crazy. (He might have jungled him? This was a looong time ago) I always wondered what he did after huskar got reworked.

Probably cried and quit
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
April 21 2014 02:00 GMT
#103716
Good. Fucking Huskar pickers.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
April 21 2014 02:59 GMT
#103717
I don't think Huskar can be balanced for competitive without reworking him. Berserker's Blood doesn't have a middle ground between being totally broke and completely vulnerable to coordination. His other three abilities could make him a very cool support based around lane control and carry wreckage, but he can't get the stats for that to be an option while Blood is still potentially this overpowered.

But who knows. Maybe he's just one significant int gain buff away from being viable.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 21 2014 03:07 GMT
#103718
On April 21 2014 10:54 FinestHour wrote:
thanks blizzard

Fucking blizzard
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 03:24:07
April 21 2014 03:17 GMT
#103719
I feel like there are heroes who just cannot be viable in competetive by virtue of their design, because the buffs they'd require would give them 70% winrates in pubs. Pretty much anything that snowballs hard and preys on poor coordination has problems from that perspective.

Old SB, huskar, riki, bloodseeker etc. Brood was another prime example, and I would consider WK to be the current title-holder. I don't really want any of those heroes to be "viable" without a significant rework.

Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
April 21 2014 03:23 GMT
#103720
I feel that bloodseeker would be competitively viable if his cast point wasn't 0.6 seconds.
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