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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
caption: "I got invited to this group after our team was stomped" have you ever been so angry? fkin lol | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
On April 21 2014 12:17 Belisarius wrote: I feel like there are heroes who just cannot be viable in competetive by virtue of their design, because the buffs they'd require would give them 70% winrates in pubs. Pretty much anything that snowballs hard and preys on poor coordination has problems from that perspective. Old SB, huskar, riki, bloodseeker etc. Brood was another prime example, and I would consider WK to be the current title-holder. I don't really want any of those heroes to be "viable" without a significant rework. wasn't riki the go to antimage counter for a long time in competitive? He is not much worse now, the playstyles just have changed. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
Oddly, WK is actually reasonably legit right now. He's in a decent place. I think only EG are really picking him but they're using it well enough that it's getting banned every now and then against them. | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On April 21 2014 12:34 icystorage wrote: + Show Spoiler + caption: "I got invited to this group after our team was stomped" have you ever been so angry? fkin lol I have been playing quite a lot l4d2 lately, and after pretty much every versus match I got like 10 of those. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On April 21 2014 12:17 Belisarius wrote: I feel like there are heroes who just cannot be viable in competetive by virtue of their design, because the buffs they'd require would give them 70% winrates in pubs. Pretty much anything that snowballs hard and preys on poor coordination has problems from that perspective. Old SB, huskar, riki, bloodseeker etc. Brood was another prime example, and I would consider WK to be the current title-holder. I don't really want any of those heroes to be "viable" without a significant rework. Bounty Hunter, Nyx Assassin. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On April 21 2014 12:53 LuckoftheIrish wrote: There are also a lot more heroes now. But yeah, for a little bit Riki was the AM counter. Generally AM doesn't want to be forced into either a BKB or an MKB, so Smoke was awesome against him. Oddly, WK is actually reasonably legit right now. He's in a decent place. I think only EG are really picking him but they're using it well enough that it's getting banned every now and then against them. He's been played in WPC a couple of times as well, as #1 position tho, not like EG does. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Nyx was once a huge problem for exactly this reason, imo. The nerf that fixed him was the ground-target impale, which was really an excellent way to deal with this. It retained the hero's potential at a high level while making him much more difficult for 95% of the playerbase to pubstomp with. I wouldn't put BH in that box at all. The hero can stomp with a big lead, of course, but the cornerstone of his kit is team utility in the form of track gold, not conventional snowballing. On April 21 2014 12:37 idonthinksobro wrote: wasn't riki the go to antimage counter for a long time in competitive? He is not much worse now, the playstyles just have changed. I suppose my (modified) point is not so much that those heroes can't ever be viable as it is that those heroes shouldn't expect to perform the same function in pro games as they do in pubs. The spacecow buff/nerf cycle is a good example. The hero is designed to yolo onto people and mess them up; The Frog tried to make him so good at this that he could be effective even in the face of tight anti-gank coordination. As a result, he was fucking outrageous in the absence of that coordination, and was eventually nerfed back to oblivion. Heroes with a pubstompy design want a niche to make them viable (like riki vs AM or WK as an unconventional initiator), not to be simply made better at stomping. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
what the fuck? | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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goody153
44292 Posts
my reaction exactly dota is pretty popular in the Philippines. More on wc3 dota though. and this is not the first song about dota in PH. It's not the shittiest one either. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
I don't see any, radiant does feel a bit better because of the terrain but it doesn't result it any more/less cs. | ||
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goody153
44292 Posts
On April 22 2014 00:09 Talron wrote: Anyone of you tried the Shadowfiend challenge? If so, anyone also experiencing heavy differences when playing Radiant / Dire side? yes dire is easy rosh + safer ancient farming area and you lose access to jungle when you lose 2nd tower bot which is shit to defend that's about it. that i noticed for now | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 22 2014 00:09 Talron wrote: Anyone of you tried the Shadowfiend challenge? On April 22 2014 00:26 goody153 wrote: yes dire is easy rosh + safer ancient farming Are you sure you have any idea what the SF challenge is? | ||
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sfasdfasdf
Canada176 Posts
On April 21 2014 12:53 LuckoftheIrish wrote: There are also a lot more heroes now. But yeah, for a little bit Riki was the AM counter. Generally AM doesn't want to be forced into either a BKB or an MKB, so Smoke was awesome against him. Oddly, WK is actually reasonably legit right now. He's in a decent place. I think only EG are really picking him but they're using it well enough that it's getting banned every now and then against them. Have you seen EternaLEnVy's WK? It's pretty beastly. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 22 2014 00:33 sfasdfasdf wrote: Have you seen EternaLEnVy's WK? It's pretty beastly. I think EG is the only one to use it as a support though, if that's what he means. A lot of theams have used carry WK. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Its like, "98% of dire pull is dewarded with one ward, the other 2% easily with a 2nd if ur unlucky". Then Radiant one is like "3 sentries later I have over 75% dewarded but still didn't find the actual ward" plus half your pub teammates block ur own pull trying to "deward". | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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goody153
44292 Posts
On April 22 2014 00:28 Sn0_Man wrote: Are you sure you have any idea what the SF challenge is? oh i did not read the first sentence .. sorry for my poor reading comprehension.. i was pointing out a normal game about what i said. | ||
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