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Slardar
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 17 2014 03:23 xsevR wrote: That's the part that always confused me about vanguard. When I first started playing again, the "new" nerf to ranged heroes seemed really strange (i misinterpreted it as ranged attacks from the source dealing damage). And then everything I read talked about how worthless the damage block is... which never seemed to add up. If the mechanic is that underpowered why does there need to be a specific exception for ranged heroes? Don't melee heroes get more use out of it anyway as they'll tank more right clicks in general? Would removing the ranged restriction on Vanguard send it back to the days of core on every hero? No, because of the other nerfs it received and the rise of items like Drums and Mek. It's not core on every melee hero anymore as well. Could be passable on some heroes and even ocasionally good, but not core on everything like it was. I wouldn't be surprising if people didn't build Vanguard on everything even if they reverted the HP nerf as well. | ||
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goody153
44292 Posts
On April 17 2014 03:23 xsevR wrote: That's the part that always confused me about vanguard. When I first started playing again, the "new" nerf to ranged heroes seemed really strange (i misinterpreted it as ranged attacks from the source dealing damage). And then everything I read talked about how worthless the damage block is... which never seemed to add up. If the mechanic is that underpowered why does there need to be a specific exception for ranged heroes? Don't melee heroes get more use out of it anyway as they'll tank more right clicks in general? Would removing the ranged restriction on Vanguard send it back to the days of core on every hero? wc3 engine must have been the reason why that change was made. And back then there was still no dota 2. | ||
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andyrau
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is this different than how it is from dota 1 cause this isn't how I remembered it | ||
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goody153
44292 Posts
On April 17 2014 03:26 Slardar wrote: I remember back in the days my friends would build Vanguard + Basher on every single hero. Kind of fun, I like the idea of VanG to encourage more diving & aggression. I remember when we were betting cash all the time when we play against another team in internet cafe's. The entire team would buy vanguard. And oh i bought a lot of DK guinsoo(scyte of vyse for those who didn't play dota 1) after mechanism back then. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 17 2014 03:29 andyrau wrote: is this different than how it is from dota 1 cause this isn't how I remembered it http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/Item_Passive_Stacking Will not work in the same attack, they are checked in reverse order of acquisition if they proc at the same time, so only the last acquired will work. | ||
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goody153
44292 Posts
You have a Vanguard and then get a Stout Shield (on a melee hero): Since you got the Stout Shield last you have a 60% chance to block 20 damage, a 28% chance to take 40 less damage and 12% chance to take normal damage. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
Both posts say the same thing. They are check in reverse order of acquistion, but both cannot proc in the same attack. You can't block 20+40 damage. | ||
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goody153
44292 Posts
On April 17 2014 03:41 SKC wrote: Both posts say the same thing. They are check in reverse order of acquistion, but both cannot proc in the same attack. You can't block 20+40 damage. I know i was just quoting them. lol For added info you know. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On April 17 2014 03:12 andyrau wrote: i think they stack multiplicatively, and only one shield can proc at any one time (stoutshield, pms, vanguard) in the order of acquisition (most recent -> oldest). so for vanguard it's: .8 chance to block 40 dmg + (.8*.2) chance to block 40 dmg = .8 + .16 = .96 chance to block 40% damage so you're paying like 2k+ to get 250 more health, 6 regen, and a 16% chance to block 40 damage. 2 vanguards aren't worth it. then again rng/prd works super weird so the average block chance isn't actually .8, it's like .6 or something like that. I'm actually super confused about how the distribution works. christ i was joking about the face/o German humor does not comprehend. | ||
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goody153
44292 Posts
I would love to see alch carry back into the pool though. Just to so that we see unfamiliar carries once in a while. I also have to urge too see a max attack speed permabashing alch which i have not seen lately. | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
idk it seems like a sitewide thing maybe i just dont make it clear enough that I'm joking | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On April 17 2014 03:53 Sn0_Man wrote: Well alch sucks major dick against AA for one thing so don't expect him to be first-pickable without AA banned. You don't have to be first-picked to be "back." If you get AA on your side or get him banned out altogether, Alch could be fairly good. I'm seeing Alch as a strong situational carry. Sorta like, say, CK. Although CK is more about who's on your team (Wisp) than who's on the enemy team. On April 17 2014 03:58 goody153 wrote: Alch is weird hero. Everytime i see him played as a carry it's either he deals too much damage or can't even kill a single enemy at all. Maybe that's just me. I would love to see alch carry back into the pool though. Just to so that we see unfamiliar carries once in a while. I also have to urge too see a max attack speed permabashing alch which i have not seen lately. I think that's totally based on how well he does early game. If he gets shut down in lane, he never gets the gold advantage that lets him snowball into a net worth to make Burning cream his pants. If he does well in lane, then it's like what Hanni just pulled off. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
Okay so here's a question I have that regards my crack usage again: I bought a MoM and a Deso on Naix the other day - does this check for order of aquisition? At first, my deso wasn't proccing and only the lifesteal was, but then i dropped the MoM (I think) and picked it up again and the deso was proccing instead of the lifesteal. Im not at home so I can't check the replay, but I feel like it shouldn't work that way. Crack? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Correct, orbs in the same priority level use order of acquisition when deciding which one procs. | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
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