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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 16:19:17
March 31 2014 16:12 GMT
#101041
On April 01 2014 01:08 TheYango wrote:
Playing support also isn't that bad when you realize that your game doesn't revolve around your carry and there are 3 other players on your team--only one of which you have to get fed for them to carry the game.

This. I'm a serial lane-abandoner. If one core is feeding/sucking/etc, chances are there's another one I can support more successfully.

Yes, I'm aware some people believe there's a special place in hell for people like me.
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
March 31 2014 16:15 GMT
#101042
These fake patch notes would have been more convincing if they didn't include several utterly pointless changes.
PA +0.5 str per level, Juggernaut +0.4 str per level, Tusk +1.0 str per level, a paltry 8 non-hero-related changes and 2 spells changed to universal damage.

Nice try though. I remember fake patch notes in which Sniper could climb up trees with a new skill.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 31 2014 16:19 GMT
#101043
On April 01 2014 01:15 Mataza wrote:
These fake patch notes would have been more convincing if they didn't include several utterly pointless changes.
PA +0.5 str per level, Juggernaut +0.4 str per level, Tusk +1.0 str per level, a paltry 8 non-hero-related changes and 2 spells changed to universal damage.

Nice try though. I remember fake patch notes in which Sniper could climb up trees with a new skill.

That sounds hilarious. :D
super gg
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 31 2014 16:20 GMT
#101044
Sniper get on Treant would be amazing tho
WriterXiao8~~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 31 2014 16:21 GMT
#101045
On April 01 2014 01:20 Kipsate wrote:
Sniper get on Treant would be amazing tho

Sounds like uber-alchemist or something.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 31 2014 16:31 GMT
#101046
On April 01 2014 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 01:20 Kipsate wrote:
Sniper get on Treant would be amazing tho

Sounds like uber-alchemist or something.

All the sniper dps without the durability of a wet paper towel
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 31 2014 16:34 GMT
#101047
"sniper dps"

please. sniper's deeps is actually the worst.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 31 2014 16:37 GMT
#101048
Headshot+Stats does that damage
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 31 2014 16:42 GMT
#101049
Yeah, when I support generally try to assist the most "with it" player. The one who farms where I ward and doesn't solely farm in jungle because he is bad at last hitting. I don't try to make bad players better, I try to help good players carry us to victory. And sometimes that means that PA doesn't get wards in the enemy jungle when she is trying to farm like an idiot.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 31 2014 16:45 GMT
#101050
Yango can't even bring himself to say "dat deeps", has to say "that damage". So literate.

PS: enemy jungle is sometimes the only safe place to farm. However, the reason it's safe is cuz you warded your OWN jungle and u know the baddies are in it lol not cuz you went on a suicide mission to the enemy jungle trying to ward cuz some retard on ur team asks for it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 16:54:46
March 31 2014 16:53 GMT
#101051
Yeah, he was going for the second option. You see, he sucked at last hitting and luna was already in the friendly jungle, so he decided to go to the only jungle left to him. This was the guy who picked PA into three cores.

But as a support, I decide where it is safe to farm. If the carry doesn't like it, they can buy their own wards and shit. I really don't mind at all.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 31 2014 17:02 GMT
#101052
A lot of times people say that when they play support, all of their teammates suck--but honestly much of that time, you probably have 1-2 teammates that are at least as good as you, but put into situations where they can't carry the game like a bad mid matchup or being underfarmed from 1v3 offlane. Getting even just one kill for those players to get their tempo going can set them up to win the game for you.

Sometimes you do get players that are just awful and you can't help that, but you should do what you can in all the other cases.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 17:06:24
March 31 2014 17:06 GMT
#101053
When i'm playing support it's not uncommon for me to mind very much when somebody "helps out" by buying my wards and preventing me from placing them in intelligent, strategic locations that work with the other wards I have placed and that won't fall victim to the dewarding pattern of my opponent's that I've worked out.

I mean, there's definitely times when I'm grateful for the help etc but honest to god people who buy my wards and put them right where I got counterwarded 10 seconds ago makes me pretty upset.

PS: even when ur team sucks dick it shouldn't be that hard to support them to victory, although obviously if I managed to do this very much I wouldn't be 4.3K or w/e. I don't think that's really the discussion here.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 17:16:22
March 31 2014 17:12 GMT
#101054
That's just a lot of people projecting their own shitty play onto their team mates. I have had as more games with fun, reasonable people than not as a support. As long as you communicate and sell your plan to people, you can worth well as a team.

For example, I was playing disruptor with a legion commander in a pub match. I told him we should roam together and get sick glimpse pick offs using duel. It would get me to 6 faster and get him extra damage.

After the third pick off, he bought the smoke and our egninma was split pushing other lanes to make space.

People who complaint that every game they play support is bae just don't communicate the plan and assume their cores will just "know". Because pro players never talk when they play, ever.

Edit: snow, I am in a much deeper tench then you. The players I deal with have a hard time understand that bloodstone isn't a good item on every hero that needs mana. Or that when attack the teir three, diving for kills is bad, kill tower good.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 31 2014 17:22 GMT
#101055
On April 01 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
"sniper dps"

please. sniper's deeps is actually the worst.

Sniper actually has incredible DPS because, unlike almost any other hero who tries to lay on the deeps, he's able to constantly attack for the entirety of the teamfight. Lifestealer, Alch, AM, Ursa etc. can all be kited. Other ranged heroes have to walk at least a little. Only Sniper has constant pew pew pew.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 31 2014 17:23 GMT
#101056
Well yes sniper's range (Including the range on his abilities) is exactly the only reason to pick the hero.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 31 2014 17:36 GMT
#101057
relax, next patch he will get 100 more range .
WriterXiao8~~
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
March 31 2014 18:08 GMT
#101058
On April 01 2014 01:08 TheYango wrote:
Playing support also isn't that bad when you realize that your game doesn't revolve around your carry and there are 3 other players on your team--only one of which you have to get fed for them to carry the game.

Or when you realize there's more to supporting than placing observer wards and watching your carry hit creeps for the first 10 minutes
Dodge arrows
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
March 31 2014 18:09 GMT
#101059
On April 01 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
"sniper dps"

please. sniper's deeps is actually the worst.

Did you meet a MoM Mjollnir Blink sniper yet?

They hurt
In the woods, there lurks..
Spyisaspy
Profile Joined August 2013
United States183 Posts
March 31 2014 18:12 GMT
#101060
inb4 sniper's headshot damage increases to 25/50/75/100 in 6.81.

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