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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 22:52:24
January 03 2014 22:51 GMT
#92721
It's really funny how the perception changes. I remember when cm was considered totally gamebreaking and people were asking for her to be removed, because "global mana regen aura!? IceFrog must have gone mad!" I really want to see how far IceFrog will push this. I'm sure there's a limit somewhere, I just have no clue where it is.

And earth spirit. Yeah, hero's OP. It's not the first time a non -cm mode hero is utterly broken, most of them were.
super gg
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 22:54:21
January 03 2014 22:53 GMT
#92722
he always tries to push that limit with new heroes or remakes, and then scale it back until its as powerful as it can be without being broken. the centaur remake is a good example. also when ember spirit could throw 3 bolas. there are probably countless examples.
I really like that style, it makes for some really fun heroes in my opinion.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 03 2014 22:54 GMT
#92723
On January 04 2014 07:51 cecek wrote:
It's not the first time a non -cm mode hero is utterly broken, most of them were.

And in virtually all cases, Icefrog was able to balance the hero while still retaining their core gameplay.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 22:56:39
January 03 2014 22:54 GMT
#92724
Also, if people really can't stand him, you can play -cm mode. He's not there. Although I wouldn't mind if -ap in ranked didn't include non -cm heroes.

On January 04 2014 07:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 07:51 cecek wrote:
It's not the first time a non -cm mode hero is utterly broken, most of them were.

And in virtually all cases, Icefrog was able to balance the hero while still retaining their core gameplay.


When was the last time a hero got completely removed from DotA?
super gg
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 03 2014 22:55 GMT
#92725
Pub -CM sucks more than playing against Earth Spirit.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 03 2014 22:59 GMT
#92726
Skeleton king got removed. RIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 03 2014 23:00 GMT
#92727
Good point. :D
super gg
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
January 03 2014 23:01 GMT
#92728
To be fair IMO the only thing that really feels off about Kaolin is that he just gets going so quickly. It is a hero who at level 1 has enough mana for his entire level 3 combo, has a 2.4 int gain when he really isn't mana dependent, and his ult which is probably one of the best ults in the game right now costs only 100 mana. Meaning with nothing more than a bottle he can go anywhere and kill anyone at level 6.

I like the idea of the hero. There haven't really been a lot of strong solos to come out of the new heroes that he has made so just in that I am happy. But he just needs so little in terms of farm and levels that it makes the laning stage for him completely non-existent.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 03 2014 23:06 GMT
#92729
I think the problem is that he can instantly stun at a huge range with rock + pull. Maybe if the rock became usable 0.5 seconds after you drop it, he wouldn't be nearly as strong. He might be too weak at that point even. Maybe you could use the rock and it would appear after 0.5 seconds and in the fade time it would be invisible to enemies, that could be fine.
super gg
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 03 2014 23:06 GMT
#92730
On January 04 2014 07:55 TheYango wrote:
Pub -CM sucks more than playing against Earth Spirit.

At least its harder for my teammates to pick support slardar and naturesprophet after having 3 cores.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 23:14:13
January 03 2014 23:13 GMT
#92731
Instead your captain picks support Slardar and Nature's Prophet after having 3 cores.

On January 04 2014 08:06 cecek wrote:
I think the problem is that he can instantly stun at a huge range with rock + pull. Maybe if the rock became usable 0.5 seconds after you drop it, he wouldn't be nearly as strong. He might be too weak at that point even. Maybe you could use the rock and it would appear after 0.5 seconds and in the fade time it would be invisible to enemies, that could be fine.

Alternatively, make Earth Spirit have a 0.1s cast time instead of having 0 cast animation for everything.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 04 2014 00:06 GMT
#92732
On January 04 2014 08:13 TheYango wrote:
Instead your captain picks support Slardar and Nature's Prophet after having 3 cores.

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 08:06 cecek wrote:
I think the problem is that he can instantly stun at a huge range with rock + pull. Maybe if the rock became usable 0.5 seconds after you drop it, he wouldn't be nearly as strong. He might be too weak at that point even. Maybe you could use the rock and it would appear after 0.5 seconds and in the fade time it would be invisible to enemies, that could be fine.

Alternatively, make Earth Spirit have a 0.1s cast time instead of having 0 cast animation for everything.

give him a horrible cast animation, balance work is done
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 04 2014 00:06 GMT
#92733
Earth Spirit has absurd stat gains on top of his kit.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 04 2014 00:08 GMT
#92734
I think Icefrog is too lazy to make the animation long enough that there actually has to be one. Right now, Earth Spirit has 0 frontswing 0 backswing so he doesn't even need animations on his model for his spell cast.

Giving him one that's longer than like 0.1s means he'd actually have to have them, lol.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 04 2014 00:11 GMT
#92735
44 mb of hats just what i needed to start the new year
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-04 00:13:06
January 04 2014 00:11 GMT
#92736
The 0 cast animation is a big part of what makes the hero fun, imo. He can do his stuff as quickly as you can execute it. That's the whole point.

0.5s delay on rock summon would be my suggestion, too.

Something that I find really counter-intuitive is that there is almost no threat at all to walking past a rock right now (unless you're ulted, obviously). If anything, you feel better because you know he's got one less rock to summon behind you.

I feel like I should be scared if I'm walking through stonehenge, and much more confident if there's nothing around. A delay on the rocks would probably give that.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
January 04 2014 00:15 GMT
#92737
spam keyboard like crazy is more superior moba style imo
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
January 04 2014 00:17 GMT
#92738
On January 03 2014 18:31 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 18:30 Shaella wrote:
no matter where you are you're bad


Why being mean bro? Just cause you 4000+ doesn't mean you can bully...

i don't even have a rating
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
January 04 2014 00:19 GMT
#92739
^HI5!
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 04 2014 00:29 GMT
#92740
woah guys spamming keyboard takes a lot of skill its a nationally recognized sport u no
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