EPTAs a tool to stop people from acting like asshats, it's ok. It's also all we have.
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Plansix
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As a tool to stop people from acting like asshats, it's ok. It's also all we have. | ||
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cecek
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I don't know why I'm asking, I just like theorycrafting about stuff like that. | ||
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canikizu
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On January 04 2014 07:23 cecek wrote: Do you think IceFrog should "break the rules of dota" more? For example a hero could get nerfed by losing more gold on death than other heroes. A hero could even lose exp for deaths. Maybe a hero with zero (or negative) stat gain per level. A hero with more/less inventory space, like a carry with super farming capabilities and steroid skill, but with only 4 inventory slots. Maybe there could be a spell that you could cast while stunned. He's kind of doing it already, Visage and Meepo base magic resist, Meepo ult at level 4, Invoker as a whole, Slark invis. I don't agree with people who say Dota should stay simple, I love stuff like that. I don't know why I'm asking, I just like theorycrafting about stuff like that. Then eventually it's only a little difference than other Moba games such as LoL or Smite where heroes have "inner passive ability". Personally I want Dota to have something like that, but I'm sure knee-jerk reaction from community will prevent it so for a while. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
use something while stunned could be ok but i dont see how that would make sense without it being just dumb dont break the game i think or we give all heroes 2 extra abilities they can choose (but u only get horrible ones unless u grind a shitton and are addicted or pay money huehue) or give every hero a blink/pull but no pls dont | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Complexity for complexity's sake doesn't make the game better, and it arguably makes the game WORSE. A hero that's different just for the sake of being different doesn't make the game better--it just makes the game more complicated, which isn't a good thing when the game is already incredibly complicated. Icefrog already has had no trouble improving and innovating the gameplay without making the game more complicated. | ||
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cecek
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On January 04 2014 07:36 cecek wrote: Why not, tho? Because it's in lol? id kinda argue yes, because it is in lol and i dont find lol fun at all so basically i dont want it cuz its no fun how is that hard to understand | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Obviously if the hero is well designed, and makes a coherent gameplay experience that's really fun (for example the original Storm remake where he made Ball Lightning a 0 CD % max mana cost spell--nothing like that had been done in DotA before) then it's worth it. But that's not a case of breaking the rules solely for the purpose of breaking the rules--rather because the hero concept basically hinges on that unique element. The fun/gameplay created the necessity for the unique element, not the other way round. | ||
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PassiveAce
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crms
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On January 04 2014 07:40 PassiveAce wrote: if lol has a good idea we should totally steal it. im totally advocating stealing tons of s2 heroes like puppet master, bombardier or silhouette (even though shes just a combination of dota skills ;p) i also think the bottle/rune mechanics in hon are way superior to those in dota and must be copied. | ||
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PassiveAce
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cecek
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On January 04 2014 07:40 TheYango wrote: The end all be all is gameplay. That's all. Something complicated doesn't make the game more fun. Something complicated just makes the game more complicated, which to many people is less fun. Obviously if the hero is well designed, and makes a coherent gameplay experience that's really fun (for example the original Storm remake where he made Ball Lightning a 0 CD % max mana cost spell--nothing like that had been done in DotA before) then it's worth it. But that's not a case of breaking the rules solely for the purpose of breaking the rules--rather because the hero concept basically hinges on that unique element. The fun/gameplay created the necessity for the unique element, not the other way round. I'm not saying he should break the rules just to break them. I'm asking if you people think there are rules IceFrog shouldn't break even if it would make the game more fun. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
So to answer your initial question, no I don't think he should be breaking the rules more often. He's breaking them as often as he should, which is whenever he comes up with an idea that requires him to break the rules. He shouldn't be breaking the rules just for the sake of breaking the rules. On January 04 2014 07:44 cecek wrote: I'm not saying he should break the rules just to break them. I'm asking if you people think there are rules IceFrog shouldn't break even if it would make the game more fun. In that case, my answer is no. Everything is fair game if it makes the game more fun. On January 04 2014 07:44 PassiveAce wrote: If the standard for what should be in the game is how "fun" it is then earth spirit passes that test by miles imo : ))))) Conceptually Earth Spirit is great, he just came out way overtuned. Plus he gets a lot of his strength from parts of his kit that have very little impact on how fun he is (namely his ult, which is far and away the most boring part of the hero). | ||
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