On December 23 2013 12:31 NotYango wrote: LC also just is not that good against teams that can push or force fights when she's either still farming her Blink Dagger or just got it. She's not like Magnus or Batrider where having just a naked Blink can be good enough to win teamfights. She needs to get Duel kills and more items beyond that to actually be strong, so heroes that start forcing down towers in that 7-10 minute mark when she wants to be picking off people solo are good against her because she doesn't do a whole lot in fights at that point and can't get pick-offs when their whole team is 5-manning. Pugna, Chen, Luna, etc. all do well against her if you can get the team together to push.
On December 23 2013 13:03 Bswhunter wrote: Anyway, what heroes can reliably beat Earth Spirit mid? I really, really dislike this guy, every time I play against him I always get squashed (I usually end up with melee heroes thou). If I don't get a good hero vs him, what are some things I can do to not completely lose the lane?
On melees normal Bottle-crowing should allow you to stalemate the lane in most cases.
Most of it is just about positioning in lane. Don't stand somewhere were he can kick a rock to hit both you and your creeps (especially if he's maxing Boulder Smash). Don't stand close enough to his tower that he can kick you into tower. Don't stand near the creep wave if lane pressure is toward your side and he can kick you into his creeps right as yours die, etc.
On December 23 2013 13:03 Bswhunter wrote: Dumb theorycrafting+ Show Spoiler +
On December 23 2013 08:37 cecek wrote: I don't think you can really ask "is Midas good on this hero?" It can be good on any hero, but it's extremely dependent on the situation of the game, more than any other item, imo. So yeah, it can definitely be good.
I think one of the worst heroes for midas is Leshrac. I think he generally benefits from more mana then midas seeing as he relies mostly on mana for flash farming, especially when it comes to clearing stacked camps.
I just wanted to get that out of my head, leshrac midas and its viability has been bouncing around in my head for some time.
Anyway, what heroes can reliably beat Earth Spirit mid? I really, really dislike this guy, every time I play against him I always get squashed (I usually end up with melee heroes thou). If I don't get a good hero vs him, what are some things I can do to not completely lose the lane?
Huskar can beat him. The problem there is that you then have a huskar on your team.
On December 23 2013 13:03 Bswhunter wrote: Dumb theorycrafting+ Show Spoiler +
On December 23 2013 08:37 cecek wrote: I don't think you can really ask "is Midas good on this hero?" It can be good on any hero, but it's extremely dependent on the situation of the game, more than any other item, imo. So yeah, it can definitely be good.
I think one of the worst heroes for midas is Leshrac. I think he generally benefits from more mana then midas seeing as he relies mostly on mana for flash farming, especially when it comes to clearing stacked camps.
I just wanted to get that out of my head, leshrac midas and its viability has been bouncing around in my head for some time.
Anyway, what heroes can reliably beat Earth Spirit mid? I really, really dislike this guy, every time I play against him I always get squashed (I usually end up with melee heroes thou). If I don't get a good hero vs him, what are some things I can do to not completely lose the lane?
Huskar can beat him. The problem there is that you then have a huskar on your team.
meh don't worry about beating him directly in mid. when he goes to team fight just make sure there's a silencer or disruptor or w/e to silence him for a bit while everyone beats the crap out of him.
The thing is, by the time he gets to teamfights, it shouldn't matter. He's a powerful teamfighter, but his real strength comes out long before that in his ganking power. If you're waiting till teamfights to deal with him, he's going to have developed everyone else on his team. His own farm barely matters because he's not really a farm- or level-reliant hero.
He actually is more comparable to, say, Clockwerk or Pudge, than QoP or Timbersaw.
On December 23 2013 12:31 NotYango wrote: LC also just is not that good against teams that can push or force fights when she's either still farming her Blink Dagger or just got it. She's not like Magnus or Batrider where having just a naked Blink can be good enough to win teamfights. She needs to get Duel kills and more items beyond that to actually be strong, so heroes that start forcing down towers in that 7-10 minute mark when she wants to be picking off people solo are good against her because she doesn't do a whole lot in fights at that point and can't get pick-offs when their whole team is 5-manning. Pugna, Chen, Luna, etc. all do well against her if you can get the team together to push.
On December 23 2013 12:31 NotYango wrote: LC also just is not that good against teams that can push or force fights when she's either still farming her Blink Dagger or just got it. She's not like Magnus or Batrider where having just a naked Blink can be good enough to win teamfights. She needs to get Duel kills and more items beyond that to actually be strong, so heroes that start forcing down towers in that 7-10 minute mark when she wants to be picking off people solo are good against her because she doesn't do a whole lot in fights at that point and can't get pick-offs when their whole team is 5-manning. Pugna, Chen, Luna, etc. all do well against her if you can get the team together to push.
On December 23 2013 12:31 NotYango wrote: LC also just is not that good against teams that can push or force fights when she's either still farming her Blink Dagger or just got it. She's not like Magnus or Batrider where having just a naked Blink can be good enough to win teamfights. She needs to get Duel kills and more items beyond that to actually be strong, so heroes that start forcing down towers in that 7-10 minute mark when she wants to be picking off people solo are good against her because she doesn't do a whole lot in fights at that point and can't get pick-offs when their whole team is 5-manning. Pugna, Chen, Luna, etc. all do well against her if you can get the team together to push.
On December 23 2013 12:31 NotYango wrote: LC also just is not that good against teams that can push or force fights when she's either still farming her Blink Dagger or just got it. She's not like Magnus or Batrider where having just a naked Blink can be good enough to win teamfights. She needs to get Duel kills and more items beyond that to actually be strong, so heroes that start forcing down towers in that 7-10 minute mark when she wants to be picking off people solo are good against her because she doesn't do a whole lot in fights at that point and can't get pick-offs when their whole team is 5-manning. Pugna, Chen, Luna, etc. all do well against her if you can get the team together to push.
On December 23 2013 13:03 Bswhunter wrote: Dumb theorycrafting+ Show Spoiler +
On December 23 2013 08:37 cecek wrote: I don't think you can really ask "is Midas good on this hero?" It can be good on any hero, but it's extremely dependent on the situation of the game, more than any other item, imo. So yeah, it can definitely be good.
I think one of the worst heroes for midas is Leshrac. I think he generally benefits from more mana then midas seeing as he relies mostly on mana for flash farming, especially when it comes to clearing stacked camps.
I just wanted to get that out of my head, leshrac midas and its viability has been bouncing around in my head for some time.
Anyway, what heroes can reliably beat Earth Spirit mid? I really, really dislike this guy, every time I play against him I always get squashed (I usually end up with melee heroes thou). If I don't get a good hero vs him, what are some things I can do to not completely lose the lane?
Huskar can beat him. The problem there is that you then have a huskar on your team.
Wait until the Huskar, Abaddon, +1 support trilane becomes popular.
Then you'll be crying.
I think Yango is trying to hit this post count so he can have two teams on the teamliquid pasture league. It's pretty obvious.
On December 23 2013 13:03 Bswhunter wrote: Dumb theorycrafting+ Show Spoiler +
On December 23 2013 08:37 cecek wrote: I don't think you can really ask "is Midas good on this hero?" It can be good on any hero, but it's extremely dependent on the situation of the game, more than any other item, imo. So yeah, it can definitely be good.
I think one of the worst heroes for midas is Leshrac. I think he generally benefits from more mana then midas seeing as he relies mostly on mana for flash farming, especially when it comes to clearing stacked camps.
I just wanted to get that out of my head, leshrac midas and its viability has been bouncing around in my head for some time.
Anyway, what heroes can reliably beat Earth Spirit mid? I really, really dislike this guy, every time I play against him I always get squashed (I usually end up with melee heroes thou). If I don't get a good hero vs him, what are some things I can do to not completely lose the lane?
Huskar can beat him. The problem there is that you then have a huskar on your team.
Wait until the Huskar, Abaddon, +1 support trilane becomes popular.
Then you'll be crying.
I think Yango is trying to hit this post count so he can have two teams on the teamliquid pasture league. It's pretty obvious.
let the LC be the 2nd support.... just for giggle :D
On December 23 2013 13:03 Bswhunter wrote: Dumb theorycrafting+ Show Spoiler +
On December 23 2013 08:37 cecek wrote: I don't think you can really ask "is Midas good on this hero?" It can be good on any hero, but it's extremely dependent on the situation of the game, more than any other item, imo. So yeah, it can definitely be good.
I think one of the worst heroes for midas is Leshrac. I think he generally benefits from more mana then midas seeing as he relies mostly on mana for flash farming, especially when it comes to clearing stacked camps.
I just wanted to get that out of my head, leshrac midas and its viability has been bouncing around in my head for some time.
Anyway, what heroes can reliably beat Earth Spirit mid? I really, really dislike this guy, every time I play against him I always get squashed (I usually end up with melee heroes thou). If I don't get a good hero vs him, what are some things I can do to not completely lose the lane?
Huskar can beat him. The problem there is that you then have a huskar on your team.
Wait until the Huskar, Abaddon, +1 support trilane becomes popular.
Then you'll be crying.
I think Yango is trying to hit this post count so he can have two teams on the teamliquid pasture league. It's pretty obvious.
EPT
