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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 05:29:30
December 20 2013 05:28 GMT
#91621
On December 20 2013 14:23 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 14:19 Kuroeeah wrote:
why would the game match you against harder opponents when you can't prove consistency playing against the opponents your matched against now?

Matchmaking systems like this never require consistency. It should actually be easier to move up or down if you are inconsistent, since the uncertainty factor is higher. It's goal is to create even games, not making sure you are good enough to move on to the next level, so it doesn't need to make sure you are better than the other players you are currently playing with before adjusting.

my point is the system right now more or less does a good job by using the "uncertainty" system in matching you against players of similar skill level. so the lower the uncertainty score, the more confident it is in matching you with and against players it thinks you belong in.

i'm on the side that this specific part of the system works just fine, whether you believe it or not.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 05:52:42
December 20 2013 05:50 GMT
#91622
So I'm playing NP, and I midas a big creep. Then 2 guys on my team (duo stack) started calling me newb and flaming me, and were like "omg newb you're supposed to midas the low money creeps, haha wtf". And I was like huh? The guy goes, " midas was changed newb, all creeps are 190 gold now so midasing the big creep gives you no advantages".

/facepalm

edit: I tried explaining to him how the exp of midas worked but he just kept saying midas was changed. I give up.
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r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
December 20 2013 05:52 GMT
#91623
i finally decided to play normal games after ranked since it came out, holy shit, normal games quality of players has gone to shit, i have to play ranked for decent games. I played a good 6-7 games to see if i just got unlucky a couple times, and no, it just seems that all the players that care a bit about a basic game plan went to ranked.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
December 20 2013 05:54 GMT
#91624
On December 20 2013 14:52 r_con wrote:
i finally decided to play normal games after ranked since it came out, holy shit, normal games quality of players has gone to shit, i have to play ranked for decent games. I played a good 6-7 games to see if i just got unlucky a couple times, and no, it just seems that all the players that care a bit about a basic game plan went to ranked.

Yeah, basically if you look at the watch tab, 90+% of the games on the first 34 pages are ranked. So it's harder to get into a higher rated game when queueing normal because no one good is even queueing it.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
December 20 2013 05:58 GMT
#91625
If you don't play AP its cool.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
December 20 2013 06:01 GMT
#91626
On December 20 2013 14:50 TheEmulator wrote:
So I'm playing NP, and I midas a big creep. Then 2 guys on my team (duo stack) started calling me newb and flaming me, and were like "omg newb you're supposed to midas the low money creeps, haha wtf". And I was like huh? The guy goes, " midas was changed newb, all creeps are 190 gold now so midasing the big creep gives you no advantages".

/facepalm

edit: I tried explaining to him how the exp of midas worked but he just kept saying midas was changed. I give up.

Depends on you level. If you are already 16, you are supposed to midas the small one to maximize your gold income. Pre-16 is midas big creep period since you need the bonus exp more.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
December 20 2013 06:06 GMT
#91627
On December 20 2013 15:01 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 14:50 TheEmulator wrote:
So I'm playing NP, and I midas a big creep. Then 2 guys on my team (duo stack) started calling me newb and flaming me, and were like "omg newb you're supposed to midas the low money creeps, haha wtf". And I was like huh? The guy goes, " midas was changed newb, all creeps are 190 gold now so midasing the big creep gives you no advantages".

/facepalm

edit: I tried explaining to him how the exp of midas worked but he just kept saying midas was changed. I give up.

Depends on you level. If you are already 16, you are supposed to midas the small one to maximize your gold income. Pre-16 is midas big creep period since you need the bonus exp more.


I don't think there is a borderline rule where Post-16 you have to Transmute the smaller ones. And what if Emulator was pre-16 when he uses his Midas...
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
December 20 2013 06:15 GMT
#91628
On December 20 2013 15:01 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 14:50 TheEmulator wrote:
So I'm playing NP, and I midas a big creep. Then 2 guys on my team (duo stack) started calling me newb and flaming me, and were like "omg newb you're supposed to midas the low money creeps, haha wtf". And I was like huh? The guy goes, " midas was changed newb, all creeps are 190 gold now so midasing the big creep gives you no advantages".

/facepalm

edit: I tried explaining to him how the exp of midas worked but he just kept saying midas was changed. I give up.

Depends on you level. If you are already 16, you are supposed to midas the small one to maximize your gold income. Pre-16 is midas big creep period since you need the bonus exp more.

Yeah, I'm aware of when it becomes pointless to midas the big creep. But this was 6-7 minutes into the game, and the first time I used my midas. Which is why I thought it was hilarious.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 06:32:26
December 20 2013 06:32 GMT
#91629
So to boost your winrate, you should play unranked matches. Got it.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
December 20 2013 06:48 GMT
#91630
did i enter the qq forum guys?
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 20 2013 06:51 GMT
#91631
well ur on teamliquid soo
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
December 20 2013 07:00 GMT
#91632
On December 20 2013 15:48 Kuroeeah wrote:
did i enter the qq forum guys?

I wasn't qqing though. I thought it was funny.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
December 20 2013 07:13 GMT
#91633
Guys I think Alch is still completely broken

he went from being completely broken, to completely broken in a new way
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
December 20 2013 07:18 GMT
#91634
On December 20 2013 16:13 Shaella wrote:
Guys I think Alch is still completely broken

he went from being completely broken, to completely broken in a new way


Nah, still the same beast I use to ensure a victory.
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
December 20 2013 07:39 GMT
#91635
in the 2 position, he becomes immortal at lvl 6 which is pretty easy considering he lanes well against almost everyone save for a few and he can guarantee himself some farm as a support because he can acid spray on camps.

doesnt matter though, every idiot even on these positions max greevils and seemingly wonders why concoct + acid does no dmg in team fights.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
December 20 2013 07:52 GMT
#91636
being immortal is a pretty good ult
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
ShivaN
Profile Joined January 2007
United States933 Posts
December 20 2013 07:54 GMT
#91637
Just a quick question, how come when I profile some people during a game their ratings come up fine, then others there's not even a bar to show them? I thought ratings weren't supposed to be viewable by non-friends?
Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
December 20 2013 07:54 GMT
#91638
Really think Finger and Laguna work wonder.
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
December 20 2013 07:56 GMT
#91639
On December 20 2013 16:54 ShivaN wrote:
Just a quick question, how come when I profile some people during a game their ratings come up fine, then others there's not even a bar to show them? I thought ratings weren't supposed to be viewable by non-friends?


Actually you can look at their ratings if you're a friend of them / in the same guild. Else, you can't. As far as I know, honestly.
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
December 20 2013 08:07 GMT
#91640
alch's abilties all scale incredibly well almost to a fault. its too easy to recognize which build an alch is going for with a quick glance of his items and the amount of dmg his acid + concoct does. the best way to play alch right now is by being active, even though playing carry still works just fine it's easy to recognize a greedy alch by the amount of damage acid/concoct does and the items he's going for.

IMO players shouldnt even take a single point in greevils because of how strong acid/concoct scales when your playing in either the mid or support and a greedy alch is actually still easy to shut down.
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