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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Bat jungle: Afk jungle for 6 + Blink, then use that to gank with Blink + ulti. LC jungle: Afk jungle for 6 + Blink, then use that to gank with Blink + ulti. Both also rely on teammates to make their ult-ganks successful. Both use a single-target, extremely close range disable that goes through Bkb to gank. As the game progresses there is more divergence but for the jungle stage, the way they fit into a team comp is very similar. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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iv~nk~j
1140 Posts
I just tested jungling her in DotA (in 6.79c of course) and in DotA I never dropped anywhere near to dangerous hp while jungling her, whereas in Dota 2 I have to use PTA constantly just for the regen and even still I'm dangerously close to dieing at times in DotA I could kill a hard camp at level 3 with 2 points in MoC and 1 in PTA without breaking a sweat, in Dota 2 that leaves me on the verge of death in general when I jungle LC in Dota 2 it feels like im half hp most of the time | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 13 2013 02:18 NotYango wrote: Also, with regard to MoC bugs: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=117369 Valve basically didn't fix the attack speed bug that made MoC not work properly. They just fudged it. Notably, is probably why MoC doesn't seem to proc as often since if you are not currently attacking a unit, the skill cannot proc (but will still use the cooldown). Just another onto the huge list of bugs that will prob never get fixed :< | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 13 2013 02:42 iv~nk~j wrote: There is definitely something wrong with how Moment of Courage works in Dota 2 I just tested jungling her in DotA (in 6.79c of course) and in DotA I never dropped anywhere near to dangerous hp while jungling her, whereas in Dota 2 I have to use PTA constantly just for the regen and even still I'm dangerously close to dieing at times in DotA I could kill a hard camp at level 3 with 2 points in MoC and 1 in PTA without breaking a sweat, in Dota 2 that leaves me on the verge of death in general when I jungle LC in Dota 2 it feels like im half hp most of the time Read the bug report I linked. DotA 1 MoC is basically a 0.5s max AS + lifesteal buff when it procs. This means you can proc it while switching targets or if you're not in melee yet, and you will generally get about half an attack extra of the attack speed (and sometimes 2 attacks of lifesteal if the proc timing was lucky) DotA 2 MoC gives you an extra attack against your current attack target, meaning the proc is WASTED and goes on CD if you are currently not attacking something (e.g. switching targets) and will never give you a 2nd attack of lifesteal/AS. On December 13 2013 02:47 Numy wrote: Just another onto the huge list of bugs that will prob never get fixed :< The bug is really hard to fix because it's basically a systemic issue with how attack speed works in the Source engine. Phoenix is going to be even more busted than he already is with that bug if they try to release him with it in the game. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
Even if they fudged LC, its going to be really hard to do Phoenix's Fire Spirits in a way that doesn't make him even more broken than he already is. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
For Tresdin specifically, I think it makes sense to keep the extra attack instead of the bonus attack speed, but it would be nice if it didn't go into cooldown if you weren't attacking anything. It would make the skill a bit closer to the original at least. | ||
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
On December 13 2013 02:49 NotYango wrote: The bug is really hard to fix because it's basically a systemic issue with how attack speed works in the Source engine. Phoenix is going to be even more busted than he already is with that bug if they try to release him with it in the game. Yep. This is the real problem. There is a good thread on the dev forum showing exactly what he's talking about using Naix and Enchantress. Using Rage after the first swing at Untouchable Enchantress should allow you to swing again at your normal attack speed after your normal swing timer cools down, but instead you have to wait for the massive cooldown from your slow ass first swing. Untouchable should be dispelled by magic immunity (and you can see that if you Rage first you swing normally), but the IAS calculations don't update properly or something. That's the bug. It very much affects LC and MoC (and I guess Phoenix, but I have no experience there). | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On December 13 2013 03:00 SKC wrote: I know, but it's not as big of a deal for other heroes and I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to deal with Phoenix individually when the time comes as well. It's consistent with some other decisions they have made in the past. For Tresdin specifically, I think it makes sense to keep the extra attack instead of the bonus attack speed, but it would be nice if it didn't go into cooldown if you weren't attacking anything. It would make the skill a bit closer to the original at least. Yeah, not putting it on cooldown if you're out of range would seem like a good idea. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
People were talking about how this had to be fixed before porting LC, but I honestly think the way it works now is a good alternative, except for the wasting the skill if you are not attacking anything part. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
- Fixed various issues with Moment of Courage. From the test client update. Someone should see how this works now. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
I guess I shall have to Lane LC. Please please fix it before main client release. It's so nerfed right now. On December 13 2013 03:17 SpiZe wrote: They still need to fix that bug at one point. Now would be a good time to do it no ? I shall go test now. See if it is fixed, brb | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
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