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On December 12 2013 21:28 Belisarius wrote:That's dota 1, in an older patch, with what appears to be random gold. Sorry, that's not really comparable. I'm happy to be wrong, but you're going to have to do more than post that video.
She's been pretty much only buffed since her release, only nerf's I can think of is Overwhelming Odds bonus damage to summoned units was dropped to 25% in 6.75 and the base damage was dropped by 10 per rank (-10 damage at rank one, -40 at rank four) in 6.79.
Same mechanics (should) apply
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Oh shit, I just realized that LC is in dota 1's -cm. Also, pretty sure I told someone they nerfed Duel to not give 10 damage and level 1. Which is wrong, it got changed to give 10/14/18, instead of 10 flat on all levels!
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Apparently legion can't jungle anymore with how her passive work now.
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Wow, is this new low prio shit mean their team can't all leave or it doesn't count towards my games played!?
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i've been testing LC. The Moment of Courage appears to be bugged. I have it at level 3, and i still cant jungle. The proc rate is astonishingly low. definitely lower than the 18% at level 3.
I did a 10mins Blink Dagger tho. With bad luck in camps. The 10mins dagger appears to be from the passive gold increase rather than the rate LC jungles.
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I don't know, I kind of want to rush Midas on LC... you get almost double the bonus damage at level 3 ult versus level 1 and it'll take an eternity to hit level 16 naturally if you're roaming a lot. Plus, it's not like you're soloing people at level 6 anyway, right? You're just there for the disable mostly.
Never played LC before, though -- am I crazy?
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So, do the increased passive gold gain and the increased midas cost cancel each other out? Will we go back to 6.78 occasional carry/jungler midas or will it still be 6.79-style 3 midas/team?
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Okay guaranteed bug on LC. The proc rate is non-existent. As my experience goes, i've fought many jungle camps without the MoC even proccing once. At level 4 MoC, you should be healing on any camps. I've had many experiences of me taking dmg at those camps which should be easy by now.
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Wraith king now has a voice line for refresher, rapier AND when you have both refresher AND rapier.
Even has a "Balling out of control" line.
Ok valve, you win this time, i am completely okay with this change.
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On December 13 2013 00:10 Unleashing wrote:
Wraith king now has a voice line for refresher, rapier AND when you have both refresher AND rapier.
Even has a "BALLING OUT OF CONTROL" line.
Ok valve, you win this time, i am completely okay with this change.
Fixed that for ya
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+ Show Spoiler +http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/5/55/Legcom_duelhero_14.mp3
Oh Volvo, talk about inferior MOBA
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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On December 12 2013 21:52 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 17:34 NB wrote:I imagine he would be an abaddon in lane: just purging buff off people and heal them. I wouldn't be too surprise if people play him as a support just for the heal and the BKB disable. inb4 [A] replace orge magi+PA with LC+PA  That's exactly what I'm thinking. She's gonna be a jungler semi carry in pubs, and a support in coordinated -cm mode games. Once she comes to -cm mode, and provided she'll be good enough. You just can't afford to have such a passive jungler with this little team contribution in -cm games, but in pubs it's probably fine.
Jungle LC is basically analogous to Jungle Batrider in terms of general game flow and influence.
On December 12 2013 23:20 Yacobs wrote:
I don't know, I kind of want to rush Midas on LC... you get almost double the bonus damage at level 3 ult versus level 1 and it'll take an eternity to hit level 16 naturally if you're roaming a lot. Plus, it's not like you're soloing people at level 6 anyway, right? You're just there for the disable mostly.
Never played LC before, though -- am I crazy?
For the same cost you could have a Blink Dagger.
The point is not solo people (which is the biggest mistake people make on that hero--getting too obsessed with solo kills), the point is that a fast Blink dagger with pretty much no other item requirements lets you snowball the game off ganks.
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On December 13 2013 02:11 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 23:20 Yacobs wrote:
I don't know, I kind of want to rush Midas on LC... you get almost double the bonus damage at level 3 ult versus level 1 and it'll take an eternity to hit level 16 naturally if you're roaming a lot. Plus, it's not like you're soloing people at level 6 anyway, right? You're just there for the disable mostly.
Never played LC before, though -- am I crazy? For the same cost you could have a Blink Dagger. The point is not solo people (which is the biggest mistake people make on that hero--getting too obsessed with solo kills), the point is that a fast Blink dagger with pretty much no other item requirements lets you snowball the game off ganks.
After all, nothing says "Fair, Honourable, Chivalrous Duel" like ganging up on some poor sod 2 or 3 vs 1.
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Also, with regard to MoC bugs:
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=117369
Valve basically didn't fix the attack speed bug that made MoC not work properly. They just fudged it. Notably, is probably why MoC doesn't seem to proc as often since if you are not currently attacking a unit, the skill cannot proc (but will still use the cooldown).
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they focused all their efforts on making 30$ exalted hat for her lets be real who fixes bugs when u can make money off skin
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only $30?
I thought it was gonna be more
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On December 13 2013 02:11 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:52 cecek wrote:On December 12 2013 17:34 NB wrote:I imagine he would be an abaddon in lane: just purging buff off people and heal them. I wouldn't be too surprise if people play him as a support just for the heal and the BKB disable. inb4 [A] replace orge magi+PA with LC+PA That's exactly what I'm thinking. She's gonna be a jungler semi carry in pubs, and a support in coordinated -cm mode games. Once she comes to -cm mode, and provided she'll be good enough. You just can't afford to have such a passive jungler with this little team contribution in -cm games, but in pubs it's probably fine. Jungle LC is basically analogous to Jungle Batrider in terms of general game flow and influence. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 23:20 Yacobs wrote:
I don't know, I kind of want to rush Midas on LC... you get almost double the bonus damage at level 3 ult versus level 1 and it'll take an eternity to hit level 16 naturally if you're roaming a lot. Plus, it's not like you're soloing people at level 6 anyway, right? You're just there for the disable mostly.
Never played LC before, though -- am I crazy? For the same cost you could have a Blink Dagger. The point is not solo people (which is the biggest mistake people make on that hero--getting too obsessed with solo kills), the point is that a fast Blink dagger with pretty much no other item requirements lets you snowball the game off ganks.
"Jungle LC is basically analogous to Jungle Batrider in terms of general game flow and influence."
Dude, what?
First of all, doesn't Batrider jungle much faster? I imagine jungle batrider will get bottle + boots + blink at the same time when LC gets a naked dagger. Second of all, a batrider does way more for the team before he finishes his blink if needed, napalm + firefly is still a decent ganking/fighting combo, it's a good slow and damage if you get close. What does a LC do at that point? Politely ask the enemy to hit him to make his passive (that he has to level up in orer to jungle at a good rate) do anything? Later on, you can't compare blink batrider to blink LC initiation. Batrider has firefly to scout, can jump way ahead of his team and drag someone back. I don't see how LC does any of this.
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On December 13 2013 02:27 cecek wrote:
First of all, doesn't Batrider jungle much faster? I imagine jungle batrider will get bottle + boots + blink at the same time when LC gets a naked dagger.
But LC doesn't need all that other chaff to jungle. It doesn't matter that Batrider gets a Bottle because Bat needs it to jungle and the Bottle doesn't have much real impact outside of sustain for farming.
On December 13 2013 02:27 cecek wrote:
Second of all, a batrider does way more for the team before he finishes his blink if needed, napalm + firefly is still a decent ganking/fighting combo, it's a good slow and damage if you get close. What does a LC do at that point? Politely ask the enemy to hit him to make his passive (that he has to level up in orer to jungle at a good rate) do anything?
Meh, fair. Though really a jungle bat usually afk-farms till 6 anyway regardless.
On December 13 2013 02:27 cecek wrote:
Later on, you can't compare blink batrider to blink LC initiation. Batrider has firefly to scout, can jump way ahead of his team and drag someone back. I don't see how LC does any of this.
Yes it's weaker. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying as a matter of timing and general game flow, you start impacting the game around the same time. She's a weaker hero than Bat, but as a jungler she's not really any more selfish.
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