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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On December 09 2013 10:05 FinestHour wrote: dont get banned for insulting the superior moba #1 most played game in the world i just insulted protoss, nothing serious but since my last ~15bans were because of the same reason they made it 2 weeks t-t | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 09 2013 10:20 Shaella wrote: I hate allpick because i swear to god the other team waits until creeps are about to spawn and then counterpicks me with like 3 heros every time fuck that mode. Its not fun. I only play random draft now cause its like, 10x more interesting To that I say, you can keep your counterpicks, I have my random gold. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On December 09 2013 09:53 dismiss wrote: Or maybe they aren't in CM because they have recently undergone major changes/are new. But then, you could be stupid and argue that they aren't in the competitive mode of dota because they're "unfun", that makes perfect sense. Who shit in your cornflakes? They're strong in the hands of someone who knows how to play the hero against someone who doesn't know how to play against the hero. They're also weak in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to play the hero. Both of these aren't fun to have in a game. Nowhere am I saying that the heroes aren't fun by design, so take your terrible fucking attitude and vent it on someone else. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 09 2013 10:38 Staboteur wrote: Who shit in your cornflakes? They're strong in the hands of someone who knows how to play the hero against someone who doesn't know how to play against the hero. They're also weak in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to play the hero. Both of these aren't fun to have in a game. Nowhere am I saying that the heroes aren't fun by design, so take your terrible fucking attitude and vent it on someone else. Heroes are only excluded from -CM for being new or recently remade. There's no hero that's not in -CM for not being fun to play against. | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On December 09 2013 10:57 NotYango wrote: Heroes are only excluded from -CM for being new or recently remade. There's no hero that's not in -CM for not being fun to play against. People avoid All Pick because playing with new or newly remade heroes presents problems until they settle and are "figured out". I'm not saying these heroes aren't in CM because they're not fun. I'm saying people avoid all pick because all pick has the new and remade potentially imbalanced heroes that people will play virtually every game and that isn't fun. Original question : "Why do people dislike all pick?" My response : "All pick allows heroes that aren't allowed in CM, and they can be unfun to play against for a number of reasons. Some people prefer to avoid this." Hopefully it's clear to everyone now. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Friend of mine was telling me I'm an idiot for thinking so, but getting a last hit is a gold swing whilst getting a deny is an equal gold swing and an exp swing. I guess a last hit can be securing exp in that it stops your opponent denying, but given that most people focus on last hits I'd say it's normally not. Even then, it at best leaves them being equal. (Obviously it depends on heroes and if you're just about to get an important item or your opponent is or whatever, but I'm talking all else being equal.) | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Kuroeeah
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
deny exp is the same for everyone now, stupid change, makes mid with melee shittier as if its not hard enough already. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On December 09 2013 12:00 aintz wrote: 1v1 mid last hit >>>>> deny unless you are against a sf. you can sac a last hit to creeps to get a deny if your against sf. deny exp is the same for everyone now, stupid change, makes mid with melee shittier as if its not hard enough already. Why is it better? I hear people say it a bunch but no one has explained to me why a gold swing is better than an equal gold swing AND an exp swing. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On December 09 2013 12:03 FuzzyJAM wrote: Why is it better? I hear people say it a bunch but no one has explained to me why a gold swing is better than an equal gold swing AND an exp swing. cause having money > not having money | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
? Denying stops them getting money too. That's the point. Because people go for last hits over denies (normally) it makes going for denies better. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
If you focus on denying over last hitting, yes, you as a hero will be higher leveled than your opponent, however There are 4 other enemies on the map. You're in a 1v1, your team relies on you not just to win your lane, but to come out of it with items so you can do things like gank. Additional items also increase your ability to farm or gank more efficiently. You can have a big impact that way Finally, getting underleveled hurts, but it doesn't hurt that much on a lot of heros, a single teamfight can catch you up. people forget that dotes is a 5man game, crippling yourself to cripple someone else often isn't worth it as a core hero | ||
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Delphiki
Philippines1955 Posts
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