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epok
United States117 Posts
On December 09 2013 04:59 Excludos wrote: Do they get the truestrike though? Or is a manta completely wasted on someone with butterfly? you should get an MKB regardless if someone gets a butterfly. illusions miss as well. the only benefits they get are related to stats and radiance. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On December 09 2013 05:48 epok wrote: you should get an MKB regardless if someone gets a butterfly. illusions miss as well. the only benefits they get are related to stats and radiance. I wasn't questioning the viability of a MKB vs dodge, I was questioning the viability of a manta with mkb against dodge. I guess there are better items for 6slotted than a manta against someone with dodge then. | ||
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GentleDrill
United Kingdom672 Posts
Also illusions generate all auras the hero has (which is why Radiance works), and while they don't benefit from most of them, movement speed and attack speed auras do work. | ||
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
On December 09 2013 05:48 epok wrote: you should get an MKB regardless if someone gets a butterfly. illusions miss as well. the only benefits they get are related to stats and radiance. Thats not strictly true, they get some other stuff also. diffusal etc. Also its not like your illusions miss 100% of the time of course it is not completely wasted. Most Manta heroes get it first and pick up the MKB later though if they absolutely need it, similarly illusion heroes mkb is an if necessary last slot item. Of course if you build the MKB first its a reason to not build manta, but really that applies to any +damage item. The truestrike and minibash are kind of besides the point. Your illusions get nothing at all from the item, it is a completely non synergetic item, if you are going to build +damage build other stuff that works with it. It is pretty basic, some heroes you build stats items on, some you build +damage on. Building mkb as a response to evasion is a completely different situation than say building it as a core item on gyro or weaver. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 09 2013 04:59 Excludos wrote: Do they get the truestrike though? Or is a manta completely wasted on someone with butterfly? Yes, they do get True Strike. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 09 2013 06:29 aintz wrote: if ur pl vs pa definitely should pick up a mkb later on as you kinda need to hit things to make more illusions. In DotA 1 attack effects that were not hard-coded activated on attack rather than on hit (including Juxtapose). This means that you could get the attack effect even if you canceled your autoattack before it finished (was a common trick used on Spectre and Riki when chasing people to get just the Desolate/Backstab damage and then immediately cancel back into chasing), and that the effect triggers regardless of evasion/miss. This is not the case in DotA 2, but some of these effects still trigger on misses to partially replicate that functionality. I know Desolate behaves like this but Backstab and Greater Bash do not. I'm not sure about Juxtapose, but it's possible that this does not actually matter for triggering Juxtapose. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
Which i won't play cause fuck all pick, and fuck captains modes. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On December 09 2013 07:18 Shaella wrote: Oh god I can fucking post again bering banned is awful guys i couldn't even chip in on talking about ranked Which i won't play cause fuck all pick, and fuck captains modes. i was banned for 2 weeks like 2 weeks ago t-t also :o i basically only play ap and cm | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Like I get why people dislike -ar, because you can get screwed by the randomness, you or someone else can get a hero they can't play etc. Or why people dislike -cm, it could take too long to start even playing, the captain might pick dumb, etc. But why -ap? | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 09 2013 08:48 cecek wrote: I don't understand what people dislike about -ap mode. Honestly, what is your people's issue with it? I really don't get it. Like I get why people dislike -ar, because you can get screwed by the randomness, you or someone else can get a hero they can't play etc. Or why people dislike -cm, it could take too long to start even playing, the captain might pick dumb, etc. But why -ap? One of the reasons is because of the players all pick attracts, the (pudge, nature's profit, antimage ect) hero instapickers. In addition people seem to rage more in all pick. In other modes it is kindof understandable if you feed if you have no idea what your hero does. EDIT: Another reason why I personally don't like all pick, because I play to win, and with all pick I would just be playing the same heroes over and over. | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On December 09 2013 08:48 cecek wrote: I don't understand what people dislike about -ap mode. Honestly, what is your people's issue with it? I really don't get it. Like I get why people dislike -ar, because you can get screwed by the randomness, you or someone else can get a hero they can't play etc. Or why people dislike -cm, it could take too long to start even playing, the captain might pick dumb, etc. But why -ap? Some hereos aren't in Captain's Mode for a reason. Broodmothers and Earth Spirits are fine examples of heroes that just aren't fun to play against, and have the added feature of being no fun to play with and being very easy to play poorly. That said if anyone ever allpicks a broodmother, grab tidehunter and some sentries, max anchor smash and grab kraken shell as needed, and laugh glorious laughs at the little spider that can't do a damn thing. | ||
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
On December 09 2013 09:46 Staboteur wrote: Some hereos aren't in Captain's Mode for a reason. Broodmothers and Earth Spirits are fine examples of heroes that just aren't fun to play against, and have the added feature of being no fun to play with and being very easy to play poorly. That said if anyone ever allpicks a broodmother, grab tidehunter and some sentries, max anchor smash and grab kraken shell as needed, and laugh glorious laughs at the little spider that can't do a damn thing. Or maybe they aren't in CM because they have recently undergone major changes/are new. But then, you could be stupid and argue that they aren't in the competitive mode of dota because they're "unfun", that makes perfect sense. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On December 09 2013 09:53 dismiss wrote: Or maybe they aren't in CM because they have recently undergone major changes/are new. But then, you could be stupid and argue that they aren't in the competitive mode of dota because they're "unfun", that makes perfect sense. lampenator spotted!!!!!! | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On December 09 2013 08:37 teddyoojo wrote: i was banned for 2 weeks like 2 weeks ago t-t also :o i basically only play ap and cm dont get banned for insulting the superior moba #1 most played game in the world | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On December 09 2013 09:46 Staboteur wrote: Some hereos aren't in Captain's Mode for a reason. Broodmothers and Earth Spirits are fine examples of heroes that just aren't fun to play against, and have the added feature of being no fun to play with and being very easy to play poorly. That said if anyone ever allpicks a broodmother, grab tidehunter and some sentries, max anchor smash and grab kraken shell as needed, and laugh glorious laughs at the little spider that can't do a damn thing. Allways, ALLWAYS grab ember spirit+cleavebuild against a broodmother. Her broodlings will be her downfall. is really funny when u get like massive amount of hits so that airtime is like 10 seconds:D | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
fuck that mode. Its not fun. I only play random draft now cause its like, 10x more interesting | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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