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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 25 2012 15:04 GMT
#8941
On April 25 2012 23:47 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 23:19 TheYango wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:16 freelander wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:29 TheYango wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:07 freelander wrote:
what is a good build for bane elemental?

i usually do some kind of
soul ring -> phase boots -> eul -> aghanim
build.

any suggestions?

Arcanes/Bottle instead of Soul Ring. I'd rather be able to bottle runes and have the team mana return of arcanes than Soul Ring. The thing is after laning, the regen from Soul Ring becomes increasingly less useful and you're only using it for the active.

The +250 base mana from Arcanes is also absolutely critical in you being able to get a full combo off.

After that, you generally want Blink Dagger. Blink is enormous in expanding your gank presence. After Blink your options include Mekansm, Force Staff (team utility), BKB, Ghost Scepter (survivability), Necronomicon, Sheepstick (personal fighting strength).


I see. I didn't get bottle because I only played him from a sidelane not as mid. So it's still worth it?

If you Bottle-Crow, then yes. If you're too lazy to Bottle-Crow, then Soul Ring is probably fine.


what does that mean ? O_O
i brought my bottle with the courier yes but im not sure what bottle-crow is

Put it back on courier when it's empty, fill it on courier at fountain, bring it back. Use it up and repeat.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
April 25 2012 15:27 GMT
#8942
bottle-crow means using your crow (flying courier/donkey) to keep transporting the bottle from u to the fountain and back to refill it, meaning basically you have an endless supply of bottle regen.
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
April 25 2012 15:37 GMT
#8943
ah. i see.
And all is illuminated.
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
April 25 2012 15:43 GMT
#8944
Bottle Crow should only be used when you are in Dire-Need of it. I find it a very selfish thing to do, keeping the courier from your team being able to use it. It frustates the hell out of me when people use it because they are too lazy to get runes and are not being stopped from taking them.
if you can believe you can concieve
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 15:49:56
April 25 2012 15:49 GMT
#8945
Zzz, why isn't there anything interesting being streamed?
Also, my friend keep picking heroes he have no idea of playing, i'm gonna have to tell him to either play a game on his own before inviting me or playing something he knows how to, it's getting annoying.
(he had drums boots(not upgraded) and a point booster at 40 mins on panda ._.)
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 25 2012 15:50 GMT
#8946
http://www.twitch.tv/thegdstudio Victory kittens for ya
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 25 2012 15:53 GMT
#8947
I meant something DotA related, already saw that victory cat got kittens.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
April 25 2012 15:54 GMT
#8948
On April 26 2012 00:49 Unleashing wrote:
Zzz, why isn't there anything interesting being streamed?
Also, my friend keep picking heroes he have no idea of playing, i'm gonna have to tell him to either play a game on his own before inviting me or playing something he knows how to, it's getting annoying.
(he had drums boots(not upgraded) and a point booster at 40 mins on panda ._.)


Trying to teach friends the game is one of the most difficult things to do if you are not new to the game yourself.
if you can believe you can concieve
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 25 2012 15:57 GMT
#8949
On April 26 2012 00:54 TheWarbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:49 Unleashing wrote:
Zzz, why isn't there anything interesting being streamed?
Also, my friend keep picking heroes he have no idea of playing, i'm gonna have to tell him to either play a game on his own before inviting me or playing something he knows how to, it's getting annoying.
(he had drums boots(not upgraded) and a point booster at 40 mins on panda ._.)


Trying to teach friends the game is one of the most difficult things to do if you are not new to the game yourself.

Especially if they are not willing to put to much time into it. I have a friend who plays 2 games a week tops and only with us, he just can't play for shit. You have to tell him whether his lane has any stuns, what their spells do etc. Not fun, it's the stuff he should figure out himself ;/
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 25 2012 15:58 GMT
#8950
On April 26 2012 00:54 TheWarbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:49 Unleashing wrote:
Zzz, why isn't there anything interesting being streamed?
Also, my friend keep picking heroes he have no idea of playing, i'm gonna have to tell him to either play a game on his own before inviting me or playing something he knows how to, it's getting annoying.
(he had drums boots(not upgraded) and a point booster at 40 mins on panda ._.)


Trying to teach friends the game is one of the most difficult things to do if you are not new to the game yourself.

Oh, he's not new to the game, he played DotA1 and HoN, but playing HoN for ages has given he so many bad habits.
I tell him that we have no vision and he shouldn't go X or Y way atm but go Z way, he goes Y or X way anyway and get killed and whine about things being broken...
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
April 25 2012 16:01 GMT
#8951
On April 26 2012 00:58 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:54 TheWarbler wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:49 Unleashing wrote:
Zzz, why isn't there anything interesting being streamed?
Also, my friend keep picking heroes he have no idea of playing, i'm gonna have to tell him to either play a game on his own before inviting me or playing something he knows how to, it's getting annoying.
(he had drums boots(not upgraded) and a point booster at 40 mins on panda ._.)


Trying to teach friends the game is one of the most difficult things to do if you are not new to the game yourself.

Oh, he's not new to the game, he played DotA1 and HoN, but playing HoN for ages has given he so many bad habits.
I tell him that we have no vision and he shouldn't go X or Y way atm but go Z way, he goes Y or X way anyway and get killed and whine about things being broken...


That is how I feel when I play with my brother. He whines about heroes etc how it is just like hon and its retarded heroes. He is very hard headed and thinks he is always right.
if you can believe you can concieve
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 16:42:02
April 25 2012 16:41 GMT
#8952
On April 26 2012 00:43 TheWarbler wrote:
Bottle Crow should only be used when you are in Dire-Need of it. I find it a very selfish thing to do, keeping the courier from your team being able to use it. It frustates the hell out of me when people use it because they are too lazy to get runes and are not being stopped from taking them.

At the same time, there will be times when the courier is just sitting in base. NOT bottle-crowing in those situations is wasteful, since the courier could be doing something, but it isn't.

Generally speaking, the courier has enough down-time that you can support 1 person on your team bottle-crowing. Particularly if your mid laner is getting decent rune pickups, there's nothing wrong with that person being a sidelaner. Obviously it's super-annoying if someone does it at bad times that interferes with your team's warding and such, but the same can be said of lots of things. Pulling creeps isn't inherently "selfish" just because shitty supports don't stack and pull at bad times that get their carry denied.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 25 2012 17:11 GMT
#8953
hmmm i think you should be able to deny axe 2nd skill? thought?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
April 25 2012 17:17 GMT
#8954
On April 26 2012 01:41 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:43 TheWarbler wrote:
Bottle Crow should only be used when you are in Dire-Need of it. I find it a very selfish thing to do, keeping the courier from your team being able to use it. It frustates the hell out of me when people use it because they are too lazy to get runes and are not being stopped from taking them.

At the same time, there will be times when the courier is just sitting in base. NOT bottle-crowing in those situations is wasteful, since the courier could be doing something, but it isn't.

Generally speaking, the courier has enough down-time that you can support 1 person on your team bottle-crowing. Particularly if your mid laner is getting decent rune pickups, there's nothing wrong with that person being a sidelaner. Obviously it's super-annoying if someone does it at bad times that interferes with your team's warding and such, but the same can be said of lots of things. Pulling creeps isn't inherently "selfish" just because shitty supports don't stack and pull at bad times that get their carry denied.


Their are very few heroes should have a bottle on the side lane. If they have a bottle it cause they are roaming and picking up the runes and ganking. A side laner should never have a bottle unless it is a potm, sf, tinker, storm, and rhasta. If any of these are side laneing they are soloing the safe lane. I am speaking in competive stand point of course.
if you can believe you can concieve
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 25 2012 17:21 GMT
#8955
What bad habits does hon teach?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 17:25:48
April 25 2012 17:22 GMT
#8956
On April 26 2012 02:17 TheWarbler wrote:
Their are very few heroes should have a bottle on the side lane. If they have a bottle it cause they are roaming and picking up the runes and ganking. A side laner should never have a bottle unless it is a potm, sf, tinker, storm, and rhasta. If any of these are side laneing they are soloing the safe lane. I am speaking in competive stand point of course.

This is hardly a rule, particularly as it pertains to competitive play. Especially in Chinese play since SMM2011, teams have increasingly been making use of aggressive bottle-crowing for sidelaners. Even for heroes that expect to simply stay on lane for a long time, Bottle has been used as an alternative means to keep sustainability in lane, especially as it's much easier to get to than RoH, and if used aggressively enough can provide HP/mana restoration for both the buyer and his lane partner, not just the buyer. 2+ bottles is hardly uncommon at all anymore.

Hell, even on junglers that traditionally have gotten Soul Ring like DS, Chinese teams have been playing frequently with Bottle-Crow jungling. 820 mentioned in his commentary of Starswar yesterday that jungling DS with Bottle is very much the norm right now, and that other forms of regen like RoH or Soul Ring are less common.
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TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
April 25 2012 17:23 GMT
#8957
On April 26 2012 02:21 epoc wrote:
What bad habits does hon teach?


Their is a lot more BM in hon I believe. Dota players are no where near nice though, don't get me wrong.
if you can believe you can concieve
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 17:25:41
April 25 2012 17:25 GMT
#8958
On April 26 2012 02:22 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 02:17 TheWarbler wrote:
Their are very few heroes should have a bottle on the side lane. If they have a bottle it cause they are roaming and picking up the runes and ganking. A side laner should never have a bottle unless it is a potm, sf, tinker, storm, and rhasta. If any of these are side laneing they are soloing the safe lane. I am speaking in competive stand point of course.

This is hardly a rule, particularly as it pertains to competitive play. Especially in Chinese play since SMM2011, teams have increasingly been making use of aggressive bottle-crowing for sidelaners. Even for heroes that expect to simply stay on lane for a long time, Bottle has been used as an alternative means to keep sustainability in lane, especially as it's much easier to get to than RoH, and if used aggressively enough can provide HP/mana restoration for both the buyer and his lane partner, not just the buyer. 2+ bottles is hardly uncommon at all anymore.

Hell, even on junglers that traditionally have gotten Soul Ring, Chinese teams have been playing frequently with Bottle-Crow jungling.


My point is you would get scolded in NA-DL bottle crowing on a support hero or a jungler. It is very annoying and if a team is doing it they should have planned that hey he is doing this. About the jungler thing I really don't know much about Dota 1 past SMM 2010.
if you can believe you can concieve
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 25 2012 17:25 GMT
#8959
I just imagined a game where a bottle is bought by a support and than used by whoever is in need at the moment via crow. Would allow for some very aggresive stuff but wow that would be hard to use to full potential :O
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
April 25 2012 17:26 GMT
#8960
On April 26 2012 02:23 TheWarbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 02:21 epoc wrote:
What bad habits does hon teach?


Their is a lot more BM in hon I believe. Dota players are no where near nice though, don't get me wrong.

Well, MOBA games aren't exactly known for their nice community :p
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