General Discussion - Page 448

On April 25 2012 23:47 freelander wrote:


what does that mean ? O_O
i brought my bottle with the courier yes but im not sure what bottle-crow is

On April 26 2012 00:49 Unleashing wrote:
Zzz, why isn't there anything interesting being streamed?
Also, my friend keep picking heroes he have no idea of playing, i'm gonna have to tell him to either play a game on his own before inviting me or playing something he knows how to, it's getting annoying.
(he had drums boots(not upgraded) and a point booster at 40 mins on panda ._.)

On April 26 2012 00:54 TheWarbler wrote:


Trying to teach friends the game is one of the most difficult things to do if you are not new to the game yourself.

On April 26 2012 00:54 TheWarbler wrote:


Trying to teach friends the game is one of the most difficult things to do if you are not new to the game yourself.

On April 26 2012 00:58 Unleashing wrote:

Oh, he's not new to the game, he played DotA1 and HoN, but playing HoN for ages has given he so many bad habits.
I tell him that we have no vision and he shouldn't go X or Y way atm but go Z way, he goes Y or X way anyway and get killed and whine about things being broken...

On April 26 2012 00:43 TheWarbler wrote:
Bottle Crow should only be used when you are in Dire-Need of it. I find it a very selfish thing to do, keeping the courier from your team being able to use it. It frustates the hell out of me when people use it because they are too lazy to get runes and are not being stopped from taking them.

On April 26 2012 01:41 TheYango wrote:

At the same time, there will be times when the courier is just sitting in base. NOT bottle-crowing in those situations is wasteful, since the courier could be doing something, but it isn't.

Generally speaking, the courier has enough down-time that you can support 1 person on your team bottle-crowing. Particularly if your mid laner is getting decent rune pickups, there's nothing wrong with that person being a sidelaner. Obviously it's super-annoying if someone does it at bad times that interferes with your team's warding and such, but the same can be said of lots of things. Pulling creeps isn't inherently "selfish" just because shitty supports don't stack and pull at bad times that get their carry denied.

On April 26 2012 02:17 TheWarbler wrote:
Their are very few heroes should have a bottle on the side lane. If they have a bottle it cause they are roaming and picking up the runes and ganking. A side laner should never have a bottle unless it is a potm, sf, tinker, storm, and rhasta. If any of these are side laneing they are soloing the safe lane. I am speaking in competive stand point of course.

On April 26 2012 02:21 epoc wrote:
What bad habits does hon teach?

On April 26 2012 02:22 TheYango wrote:

This is hardly a rule, particularly as it pertains to competitive play. Especially in Chinese play since SMM2011, teams have increasingly been making use of aggressive bottle-crowing for sidelaners. Even for heroes that expect to simply stay on lane for a long time, Bottle has been used as an alternative means to keep sustainability in lane, especially as it's much easier to get to than RoH, and if used aggressively enough can provide HP/mana restoration for both the buyer and his lane partner, not just the buyer. 2+ bottles is hardly uncommon at all anymore.

Hell, even on junglers that traditionally have gotten Soul Ring, Chinese teams have been playing frequently with Bottle-Crow jungling.