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zezamer
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 27 2013 22:36 Targe wrote: wat. in what world do melee carries in dota go glass cannon Not sure if I worded it ambiguously or you just failed to read. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On November 28 2013 00:25 Numy wrote: Not sure if I worded it ambiguously or you just failed to read. I'm guessing you assume a melee carry must build basically glass cannon with maybe bkb as their only defensive item im just wondering if people actually believe this | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
but i dont know why you went on the rant about defensive items ^^ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 28 2013 00:34 Targe wrote: im just wondering if people actually believe this I think there is a section of the dota world that believes damage > all. I have played with people who will be rocking 3-4 damage items and argue that heart is bad because they are an agility hero. Some people don't respect the power of tons of hp and being unkillable. This is why we have bristle back, to educate them. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 28 2013 00:41 Targe wrote: i did, thx for answering the question but i dont know why you went on the rant about defensive items ^^ That's the key difference to what people perceive as a LoL melee carry. If you ask a question about melee carries but then ignore how they are defined in both games then it's a bit pointless is it not? If you want to make a comparison you have to see what it means to be a melee carry in Dota than see if such a thing already exists in LoL which it does merely under a different definition. Hence talking about defensive items. | ||
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
your explanation was much more in detail than i needed, thanks though, question answered | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 27 2013 22:25 Numy wrote: When people talk about melee carries in LoL they make the assumption that they should be akin to ranged carries in going pure offensive with maybe a GA or 1 defensive item. Dota has no melee hero that does that either so if we were to go by this metric you would have to ask why are there no melee carries in Dota or LoL. We actually do, now that Ember Spirit is in the game. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 28 2013 00:46 Targe wrote: i just wanted to know if there are melee heroes in lol that right click ppl to death your explanation was much more in detail than i needed, thanks though, question answered The devs at Riot have specifically said they don't want melee heroes that just right click to do damage. Most melee heroes use their abilities and auto attacks to deal damage. Riven is a hoped example, or Yi and Xin. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 28 2013 00:46 harodihg wrote: You're really over generalizing the game, Numy. Off of the top of my head Sven fits your idea of how melee carriew are played, but there's numerous other counter examples as well. For one, bristleback doesn't normally obtain bkb and often gets 2-3 'defensive' items like mek/pipe/vanguard, doom often gets bkb, mek and heavens halberd and it isn't uncommon to see a weaver get a bkb on top of linkens. In fact, a lot of 'offensive' items are actually obtained for their defensive qualities, such as manta and butterfly. Those aren't counter examples at all but actual examples? A counter example would be a melee that doesn't get any defensive items at all which I can't think of any in Dota. I also mentioned Dota has plenty of hybrid items. Did I really word it ambiguously or are people just not reading oO On November 28 2013 00:50 TheYango wrote: We actually do, now that Ember Spirit is in the game. Ah a counter example! Knew I was forgetting someone. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
edit: of course troll isn't 100% melee, kinda overlooked that .. | ||
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 28 2013 01:03 harodihg wrote: Sven/riki/AM are heroes that nornally only get bkbs as a sole defensive item if you exclude 'hybrid' items. Anti Mage gets a lot of his tank from his agility gain, magic resist and bring a slippery fuck. And anti Mage that can love is a dead antimage. Sven is just a beast. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
On November 28 2013 00:51 Numy wrote: Those aren't counter examples at all but actual examples? A counter example would be a melee that doesn't get any defensive items at all which I can't think of any in Dota. I also mentioned Dota has plenty of hybrid items. Did I really word it ambiguously or are people just not reading oO Ah a counter example! Knew I was forgetting someone. I think you worded it ambiguously But if it makes you feel better i understood it after my first lecture. Faceless void might be a counter example to this scenario as he often just goes for damage items to kill everyone under chrono | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 28 2013 01:07 Nevuk wrote: Faceless Void can get away with going pure glass cannon as well. He's sorta an exception to a lot of things though, like the laws of time and space. FV still typically has Butterfly and Satanic by end-game. At most he usually still only has 1 more major offensive item than defensive item at any point in the game (BFury+BKB+Crit->next item is usually BFly; MoM+Crit/Thunderhammer->next items are usually BKB+BFly). | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 28 2013 01:11 Darkren wrote: I think you worded it ambiguously But if it makes you feel better i understood it after my first lecture. Haha thanks. Yango couldn't say since we spoken about the same thing before. I'll try clean it up to make it clearer in the future if someone asks ;( | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On November 28 2013 01:16 Numy wrote: Haha thanks. Yango couldn't say since we spoken about the same thing before. I'll try clean it up to make it clearer in the future if someone asks ;( Sounds to me like you guys aren't building your melee carries manly enough. | ||
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