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On November 01 2013 12:38 Erasme wrote:
I'm slightly drunk but PA is the most amazing hero in the game
You're drunk and French, opinion isn't valid Erasme 
jk you're awesome. Sorry.
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On November 01 2013 11:39 kaztah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 11:37 IPA wrote:Sing Sing 56-7 as Tinker in a 70 minute game. Almost won...  What a game. More like. 56-7 as tinker, with a spectre on his team, and still lost. What the hell
What was/is singsing's in-game name? I missed it and he stopped streaming. :/
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its like beaver knight beaver knight sometimes just 1 of those
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On November 01 2013 10:36 FinestHour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 10:27 Milkis wrote:On November 01 2013 09:14 Kupon3ss wrote:On November 01 2013 09:04 GentleDrill wrote:On November 01 2013 08:17 Mataza wrote:On November 01 2013 07:39 SKC wrote:On November 01 2013 07:31 Mataza wrote:On November 01 2013 07:22 SKC wrote:On November 01 2013 07:04 Mataza wrote:On November 01 2013 05:29 GentleDrill wrote:
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I've seen him posting in the Pokémon X & Y thread too. And not just casual stuff, like stuff that suggests he actually knows about those games too.
I think Yango might actually be the nerd I wish I could be. Since when is there hardcore knowledge about pokemon to be had? There is catchrate, shiny rate, DVs, EVs and how you can influence these things. Watching wersterlobe's stream shows me at least that no matter how much you know, you still need luck or time to get what you want at Pokemon. Speedrunning != Battling. What Werster does has nothing to do with competitive Pokemon, Speedrunning has it's own rules, but you would still surprising with the amount of knowledge it requires. Battling is often a numbers game, what outspeeds what, how many hits will this take to kill that if he has such IVs or such items, etc. It definatelly requires some knowledge to do well. Things like catch rate, shiny rate are mostly meanignless. And doing mental arithmetic is amazing since when? It's been a while for me but those are still just more numbers and a bit of math and getting your mind around considering poke bodies. At least last time I checked there was a metagame for pokemon battling too. The best setup will forever be buffed magikarp oneshotting an entire team in a row. Countered with a simple quick attack but entertaining as hell. It's the same this as remembering Dota mechanics.... You scan the PlayDota Advanced Mechanics sections and DevDota forums and learn things most people don't go through the trouble of doing. If you disregard memory and hardwork reading stuff as skill, it doesn't make sense glorifying the knowledge of how Dota mechanics works while completelly disregarding the work it takes to reach a high level of understanding in Pokemon mechanics. It's just something you do because you know one game and not the other. Most questions people have regarding Dota mechanics could be answered by a quick google search in both sites I mentioned, that doesn't mean that being able to answer them is suddenly not valuable. While there is something to knowing a lot of stuff, there is arguably less variation in pokemon because any pokemon is limited to 4 attacks and 1 poke ability or whatever it is called. I dare say Dota is deeper because people actually had to do some research to find some things out(PRD was not public information until people found it through millions of tests). Pokemon on the other hand is round based with known chances (divisible by 256 and the like) and therefore a limit to ongoing and interacting effects. I really don't know where you're meant to be going with this line of responses in relation to my original post. All I was saying was that Yango seems to have knowledge of the Pokémon games that suggests he had invested some amount of time into it, and I was impressed by this considering this is in addition to his apparently encyclopedic knowledge of DotA AND at least some knowledge of LoL, and the fact that he seems to post about all three with some regularity. Most people get involved in one or two of these things and no more. You seem to be saying that there isn't much to know in Pokémon but you've kind of made it clear you're even less familiar with the games than I am (you barely even knew what an ability is called). Just go look at all the writing done on Smogon and see how wrong you are. Pokemon probably has more stuff to "know" than either DotA or LoL but the game's quite a bit dumbed down compared to its heyday so that battles play out a lot more predictably The game has actually gotten more complicated, actually. Just because things are more offensive doesn't mean "more predictably". Pokemon has more stuff to know but it's a lot more one dimensional and you have all the time in the world to think about it and run calculations and all of that. The thing every developer should learn (something Wild Games Studio and Microsoft failed to do) is communicate with your fans. When there is something wrong, not saying a word makes people far more upset. Hell, why can we not get the themed map at least? Ok, maybe they just cannot be bothered to tune Diretide for the new heroes. But can we not at least have the Diretide themed map? Did Valve actually say/hint at Diretide or is it everyone else who were hyping it? I think not saying anything is fine, but I feel like the community has a habit of circling themselves based on hype and expectations that's generated from the community as a whole without Valve having to do anything. It's quite fascinating to watch how all of this happened (ie, speculations from stuff that are in patches and such). I feel like in this case it's nice to clarify things before the community kind of feeds themselves into a frenzy. do u even dota
Milkis is easier to carry than your Fiddlesticks 
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This talk of "community backlash" and peoples' deep craving for diretide / Valve's life plans for Dota 2 has me scratching my head. You guys are nuts.
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On November 01 2013 12:40 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 11:39 kaztah wrote:On November 01 2013 11:37 IPA wrote:Sing Sing 56-7 as Tinker in a 70 minute game. Almost won... What a game. More like. 56-7 as tinker, with a spectre on his team, and still lost. What the hell What was/is singsing's in-game name? I missed it and he stopped streaming. :/
Check his vod archives on his stream, I think they upload pretty quick. It's more entertaining with his commentary, and I don't remember his name anyway.
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On November 01 2013 12:39 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 10:39 Nilrem wrote:On November 01 2013 10:27 Milkis wrote:On November 01 2013 09:14 Kupon3ss wrote:On November 01 2013 09:04 GentleDrill wrote:On November 01 2013 08:17 Mataza wrote:On November 01 2013 07:39 SKC wrote:On November 01 2013 07:31 Mataza wrote:On November 01 2013 07:22 SKC wrote:On November 01 2013 07:04 Mataza wrote:
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Since when is there hardcore knowledge about pokemon to be had?
There is catchrate, shiny rate, DVs, EVs and how you can influence these things.
Watching wersterlobe's stream shows me at least that no matter how much you know, you still need luck or time to get what you want at Pokemon. Speedrunning != Battling. What Werster does has nothing to do with competitive Pokemon, Speedrunning has it's own rules, but you would still surprising with the amount of knowledge it requires. Battling is often a numbers game, what outspeeds what, how many hits will this take to kill that if he has such IVs or such items, etc. It definatelly requires some knowledge to do well. Things like catch rate, shiny rate are mostly meanignless. And doing mental arithmetic is amazing since when? It's been a while for me but those are still just more numbers and a bit of math and getting your mind around considering poke bodies. At least last time I checked there was a metagame for pokemon battling too. The best setup will forever be buffed magikarp oneshotting an entire team in a row. Countered with a simple quick attack but entertaining as hell. It's the same this as remembering Dota mechanics.... You scan the PlayDota Advanced Mechanics sections and DevDota forums and learn things most people don't go through the trouble of doing. If you disregard memory and hardwork reading stuff as skill, it doesn't make sense glorifying the knowledge of how Dota mechanics works while completelly disregarding the work it takes to reach a high level of understanding in Pokemon mechanics. It's just something you do because you know one game and not the other. Most questions people have regarding Dota mechanics could be answered by a quick google search in both sites I mentioned, that doesn't mean that being able to answer them is suddenly not valuable. While there is something to knowing a lot of stuff, there is arguably less variation in pokemon because any pokemon is limited to 4 attacks and 1 poke ability or whatever it is called. I dare say Dota is deeper because people actually had to do some research to find some things out(PRD was not public information until people found it through millions of tests). Pokemon on the other hand is round based with known chances (divisible by 256 and the like) and therefore a limit to ongoing and interacting effects. I really don't know where you're meant to be going with this line of responses in relation to my original post. All I was saying was that Yango seems to have knowledge of the Pokémon games that suggests he had invested some amount of time into it, and I was impressed by this considering this is in addition to his apparently encyclopedic knowledge of DotA AND at least some knowledge of LoL, and the fact that he seems to post about all three with some regularity. Most people get involved in one or two of these things and no more. You seem to be saying that there isn't much to know in Pokémon but you've kind of made it clear you're even less familiar with the games than I am (you barely even knew what an ability is called). Just go look at all the writing done on Smogon and see how wrong you are. Pokemon probably has more stuff to "know" than either DotA or LoL but the game's quite a bit dumbed down compared to its heyday so that battles play out a lot more predictably The game has actually gotten more complicated, actually. Just because things are more offensive doesn't mean "more predictably". Pokemon has more stuff to know but it's a lot more one dimensional and you have all the time in the world to think about it and run calculations and all of that. The thing every developer should learn (something Wild Games Studio and Microsoft failed to do) is communicate with your fans. When there is something wrong, not saying a word makes people far more upset. Hell, why can we not get the themed map at least? Ok, maybe they just cannot be bothered to tune Diretide for the new heroes. But can we not at least have the Diretide themed map? Did Valve actually say/hint at Diretide or is it everyone else who were hyping it? I think not saying anything is fine, but I feel like the community has a habit of circling themselves based on hype and expectations that's generated from the community as a whole without Valve having to do anything. It's quite fascinating to watch how all of this happened (ie, speculations from stuff that are in patches and such). I feel like in this case it's nice to clarify things before the community kind of feeds themselves into a frenzy. I do not feel the same way. Diretide came out last year so there is no real precedent of is occurring annually. But, does it make sense for Valve to not have it again? I mean, CS:GO got somewhat of a theme (they have a ghost chicken) and TF2 has had another event (like every year). The files are still in the game (candies, the rosh, etc.) but Valve decided to not use them. The game is even considered "released" and somehow it was fine to have it during beta but not now. And like I have mentioned, perhaps they were too busy with other things. Even if that was the case, why not at least activated the Diretide themed map? Valve should have seen some blacklash coming so why the silence? I was giving them the benefit of the doubt by waiting until now and yet nothing. It's because almost, if not all games out there have something special for holidays, such as Halloween and stuffs. So it's reasonable to expect something. Since Valve didn't say anything, people hope and hype for Diretide. I don't think anybody expect honeymoon was over and Valve didn't give us anything. It's kind of stupid though. Holidays are always good opportunities to show off stuffs to attract customers and make quick cash. That's like free money. I don't play Dota2 anymore, but if there were Diretide, I would have started to play again with some friends for some good time.
They also wrote "annual" on the diretide description splash page which means, it is supposed to happen again this year.
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On November 01 2013 12:52 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 12:40 danl9rm wrote:On November 01 2013 11:39 kaztah wrote:On November 01 2013 11:37 IPA wrote:Sing Sing 56-7 as Tinker in a 70 minute game. Almost won... What a game. More like. 56-7 as tinker, with a spectre on his team, and still lost. What the hell What was/is singsing's in-game name? I missed it and he stopped streaming. :/ Check his vod archives on his stream, I think they upload pretty quick. It's more entertaining with his commentary, and I don't remember his name anyway.
Ok, thanks. I honestly didn't think of that, hah.
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On November 01 2013 12:48 Staboteur wrote:
This talk of "community backlash" and peoples' deep craving for diretide / Valve's life plans for Dota 2 has me scratching my head. You guys are nuts.
Not sure if backlash, or just people are sad. I think most people are just really sad and disappointed, like a kid who got nothing for Christmas. Some of the other ones are pretty angry though, but I think they're a minority.
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On November 01 2013 13:34 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 12:48 Staboteur wrote:
This talk of "community backlash" and peoples' deep craving for diretide / Valve's life plans for Dota 2 has me scratching my head. You guys are nuts. Not sure if backlash, or just people are sad. I think most people are just really sad and disappointed, like a kid who got nothing for Christmas. Some of the other ones are pretty angry though, but I think they're a minority.
I don't see the big deal, if we got diretide the same voices would be yelling about how diretide got old after 1 game and needs to leave so they can play dota again.
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On November 01 2013 13:34 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 12:48 Staboteur wrote:
This talk of "community backlash" and peoples' deep craving for diretide / Valve's life plans for Dota 2 has me scratching my head. You guys are nuts. Not sure if backlash, or just people are sad. I think most people are just really sad and disappointed, like a kid who got nothing for Christmas. Some of the other ones are pretty angry though, but I think they're a minority.
Yeah I think people were just looking forward to it because it was so fun last year. There is that minority who are pissed, but they're sad little nerds.
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Was Diretide even that fun? I played it, but not more than 10 games. Same with Frostivus...
For the most part, both were just a tool to get easy items and whore it out for more. Which is good all in all, but I'm sure people are just bummed out about it because of that.
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I was already bummed since the only way my friends and I played it were fountain hooking grievles.
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On November 01 2013 14:50 trinxified wrote:
Was Diretide even that fun? I played it, but not more than 10 games. Same with Frostivus...
For the most part, both were just a tool to get easy items and whore it out for more. Which is good all in all, but I'm sure people are just bummed out about it because of that.
I personally didn't think it was amazing. I went back to normal mm after 1-2 days, only occasionally queueing it with friends after. But it's still a nice break and I enjoy the map change even in normal games.
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Diretide was pretty fun, there was some actual strategy to it and trying out new heroes/combos was entertaining. I would play that without items and you can practice heroes you're bad at.
Of course Greevling was garbage and no one will want that back this December. When you think about it they should really split up the events or make new ones
I'm keeping up hope that Valve wanted to get work on Diretide 2.0 one more day so that it'll be absolutely perfect.
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Or Valve could finish the map editor and allow people to make their own holiday game modes.
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On November 01 2013 13:34 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 12:48 Staboteur wrote:
This talk of "community backlash" and peoples' deep craving for diretide / Valve's life plans for Dota 2 has me scratching my head. You guys are nuts. Not sure if backlash, or just people are sad. I think most people are just really sad and disappointed, like a kid who got nothing for Christmas. Some of the other ones are pretty angry though, but I think they're a minority.
You could say that: None of these kids got candy for Halloween, BAZINGGG~...
Anybody?... Nobody?... ok...
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On November 01 2013 15:25 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 13:34 Milkis wrote:On November 01 2013 12:48 Staboteur wrote:
This talk of "community backlash" and peoples' deep craving for diretide / Valve's life plans for Dota 2 has me scratching my head. You guys are nuts. Not sure if backlash, or just people are sad. I think most people are just really sad and disappointed, like a kid who got nothing for Christmas. Some of the other ones are pretty angry though, but I think they're a minority. You could say that: None of these kids got candy for Halloween, BAZINGGG~...Anybody?... Nobody?... ok...
*Turns head and walks away slowly in shame*
On a brighter note, I went the dual heart build for meepo. When everyone has 1000-1200 hp and I have 4300 hp, I feel quite of tough
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Glad I played with a few folks who aren't quitters right away. We have our usual "GG" talk amongst each other since we are getting dominated pretty hard. At one point, it was 50-24 score at 35 minutes in but no raxes down yet.
Then a team fight happened up at our mid high ground, lost the tower but somehow turned the fight. Since then, we kept winning every fight. After 13 minutes, we won and the game ended at 58-44 score. Enemy team didn't exactly throw on purpose either, so it was legitimate win.
Games like this is what keeps me going. I guess I deserved it after getting shitty ass games with trolls ruining games.
And speaking of events, even though I don't really mind not having a Halloween event, possibly no Christmas event either, but I do wish we had the themed map back. That was refreshing.
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On November 01 2013 12:45 FinestHour wrote:
its like beaver knight beaver knight sometimes just 1 of those
beaverly knightly beaver knight ^^
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