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Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
October 29 2013 15:55 GMT
#84341
Wtf happened to papaxioung and kecik imba.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 15:58:39
October 29 2013 15:58 GMT
#84342
On October 30 2013 00:53 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:46 Fwizzz wrote:
Godz just tweeted that there's a chinese roster change coming and it's bad for the SEA scene.

hyhy+chuan?



It all depends whether or not Chuan was serious about retiring when he talked to Mali.

I have no clue what this could be.

Chuan.

Serious.

Cute ;]

On October 30 2013 00:55 Fwizzz wrote:
Wtf happened to papaxioung and kecik imba.


I think the real question is where is HONTRASHPLAYER
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 29 2013 15:59 GMT
#84343
aka dabeloutieff or whatever lol
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 29 2013 16:11 GMT
#84344
On October 29 2013 23:37 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 23:18 Comeh wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:12 makmeatt wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:00 dfs wrote:
Don't ever que CD or CM without full stack.

I've heard stories of people having better experience from solo CD/CM than solo AP, so I guess it's just as much of a gamble.

I think solo CD is worse than solo CM.

Solo CM is filled with a bunch of people that try to play well, but usually are pretty bad.

At least we try....

I find CM to be ok in solo cue. I've had some very good games and generally it's better that all pick. But I also try to be super outgoing when I solo cue to head off any agro players. It works from me, but I might have gotten lucky.


I solo queue everything except AP.

CM is generally fine in my experience. CD is a little...eh but is typically ok if people are talking.


If you get a Captain who flat out will not talk, however, you can end up in a whole world of pain.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 29 2013 16:12 GMT
#84345
well rising stars reshuffling?
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 29 2013 16:13 GMT
#84346
On October 30 2013 01:11 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 23:37 Plansix wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:18 Comeh wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:12 makmeatt wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:00 dfs wrote:
Don't ever que CD or CM without full stack.

I've heard stories of people having better experience from solo CD/CM than solo AP, so I guess it's just as much of a gamble.

I think solo CD is worse than solo CM.

Solo CM is filled with a bunch of people that try to play well, but usually are pretty bad.

At least we try....

I find CM to be ok in solo cue. I've had some very good games and generally it's better that all pick. But I also try to be super outgoing when I solo cue to head off any agro players. It works from me, but I might have gotten lucky.


I solo queue everything except AP.

CM is generally fine in my experience. CD is a little...eh but is typically ok if people are talking.


If you get a Captain who flat out will not talk, however, you can end up in a whole world of pain.

I find drafts to be a lot less selfish in solo CM, but in Solo CD the person will find one cute hero they really want to play and last pick it to make a completely illogical lineup.

Just my experience though.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 29 2013 17:03 GMT
#84347
rising stars has pretty much unarguably underpreformed.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 29 2013 17:11 GMT
#84348
On October 30 2013 02:03 Shaella wrote:
rising stars has pretty much unarguably underpreformed.

I don't think even Sylar has played that well on that team.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
October 29 2013 17:28 GMT
#84349
On October 30 2013 00:53 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:46 Fwizzz wrote:
Godz just tweeted that there's a chinese roster change coming and it's bad for the SEA scene.

hyhy+chuan?

https://twitter.com/BTSGoDz/status/395211188486676480


It all depends whether or not Chuan was serious about retiring when he talked to Mali.

I have no clue what this could be.


imo Chuan will be back in the next big round of shuffles when teams look at how to ensure themselves a shot at TI4
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 29 2013 17:50 GMT
#84350
On October 30 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:03 Shaella wrote:
rising stars has pretty much unarguably underpreformed.

I don't think even Sylar has played that well on that team.

noone has
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 29 2013 17:51 GMT
#84351
On October 30 2013 02:50 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:03 Shaella wrote:
rising stars has pretty much unarguably underpreformed.

I don't think even Sylar has played that well on that team.

noone has

well true, but to me Sylar is one of the most surprising. To me, he was the best carry in the world on LGD (~TI3) - now he doesn't really seem to make any good decisions at all.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 29 2013 18:00 GMT
#84352
On October 30 2013 02:51 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:50 teddyoojo wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:03 Shaella wrote:
rising stars has pretty much unarguably underpreformed.

I don't think even Sylar has played that well on that team.

noone has

well true, but to me Sylar is one of the most surprising. To me, he was the best carry in the world on LGD (~TI3) - now he doesn't really seem to make any good decisions at all.

Honestly people way overreacted to Sylar leaving LGD, saying that team was doomed from losing their best player, etc.

The thing is, that team's playstyle can make any carry player look like a god. Look at Xiaotuji before he joined LGD, and look now. The team just has a style that's incredibly carry-centric, but the real work of winning the game is still on the other 4 players, despite how much they make their carry shine every game.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 29 2013 18:02 GMT
#84353
On October 30 2013 03:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:51 Comeh wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:50 teddyoojo wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:03 Shaella wrote:
rising stars has pretty much unarguably underpreformed.

I don't think even Sylar has played that well on that team.

noone has

well true, but to me Sylar is one of the most surprising. To me, he was the best carry in the world on LGD (~TI3) - now he doesn't really seem to make any good decisions at all.

Honestly people way overreacted to Sylar leaving LGD, saying that team was doomed from losing their best player, etc.

The thing is, that team's playstyle can make any carry player look like a god. Look at Xiaotuji before he joined LGD, and look now. The team just has a style that's incredibly carry-centric, but the real work of winning the game is still on the other 4 players, despite how much they make their carry shine every game.

Yeah, I was just thinking about that - it might have been more to do with LGD's 4, and their playstyle that seems to really emphasize on the carry looking like a carry (as opposed to, say, Xboct's crazy fighting dota)
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 29 2013 18:13 GMT
#84354
I dunno guys, sylar has made some god tier plays, and for awhile had the most insane game sense which lead to him being nearly ungankable.

I agree with the assessment that LGD playstyle lends itself to highlight the carry, but Sylar was playing some miraculous dota for awhile leading up to TI3.

He was pretty underwhelming at ti3 though. :|
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Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
October 29 2013 18:18 GMT
#84355
Devs trolling dev forums:
[image loading]
and the relevant thread.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
October 29 2013 18:25 GMT
#84356
And where is the "trolling"?
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
October 29 2013 18:32 GMT
#84357
On October 30 2013 03:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:51 Comeh wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:50 teddyoojo wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:03 Shaella wrote:
rising stars has pretty much unarguably underpreformed.

I don't think even Sylar has played that well on that team.

noone has

well true, but to me Sylar is one of the most surprising. To me, he was the best carry in the world on LGD (~TI3) - now he doesn't really seem to make any good decisions at all.

Honestly people way overreacted to Sylar leaving LGD, saying that team was doomed from losing their best player, etc.

The thing is, that team's playstyle can make any carry player look like a god. Look at Xiaotuji before he joined LGD, and look now. The team just has a style that's incredibly carry-centric, but the real work of winning the game is still on the other 4 players, despite how much they make their carry shine every game.


eh sylar had some amazing individual plays that were obvious to viewers like his bear micro vs liquid in g-1 league
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 29 2013 18:39 GMT
#84358
And "individual plays" are such a small part of what makes a player good.
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dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 19:21:13
October 29 2013 19:06 GMT
#84359
On October 30 2013 03:39 TheYango wrote:
And "individual plays" are such a small part of what makes a player good.

Err... what? Small? Individual play = skill. You don't need to show WoDota every game, but if you can't show good plays you are not a good player.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 29 2013 19:29 GMT
#84360
Xiaotuji is still a downgrade I feel. LGD has changed their playstyle which allows them to do well. In the PL kotl games they still play it doesn't take much to win from the carry player.
WriterXiao8~~
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