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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 05:36:10
October 27 2013 05:33 GMT
#84001
On October 27 2013 13:35 ReignSupreme. wrote:
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On October 27 2013 08:53 trinxified wrote:
On October 27 2013 08:51 Najda wrote:
It's boring seeing multiple necrobooks in every single pro game though regardless if it's overpowered or not. It went from a rarely seen item to an item you get on almost any hero besides the 1 role.


I haven't seen much pro games buying it actually... Am I missing something? I do recall a certain rule before in WC3 Dota where you're limited to buy Necro books up to 2 per team. They had that rule on other items too, I think on sheepstick as well.


Both WePlay and WPC have had tonnes of Necrobook's being bought over the past week.

Im not really that bummed out by it. We see sheep stick and force staff a lot too. At dat blink dagger. Some its are just good on some heroes.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
October 27 2013 05:33 GMT
#84002
They need to get someone to fix the Dota 2 bots. I know they're just bots, but using them as practice/to introducing a new player is completely poopy.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
October 27 2013 05:39 GMT
#84003
On October 27 2013 14:33 xAdra wrote:
They need to get someone to fix the Dota 2 bots. I know they're just bots, but using them as practice/to introducing a new player is completely poopy.

What's wrong with the bots?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 05:43:54
October 27 2013 05:42 GMT
#84004
The bots are fucking retarted and couldn't defend a tower if their life depended on it. They get caught out of position with the other bots or just walk into 5 enemies. They don't have the ability to assess if there are to many enemies and often just walk in to get alpha striked. It means that if the enemy bots start to push, they will likely get 4 kills with each tower. Teaching new players with them is a chore, because the friendly bots are so bad on defense.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 27 2013 05:47 GMT
#84005
To those that say brood isnt picked - shes not in CM. Read up nerds.
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 05:48:42
October 27 2013 05:47 GMT
#84006
On October 27 2013 14:42 Plansix wrote:
The bots are fucking retarted and couldn't defend a tower if their life depended on it. They get caught out of position with the other bots or just walk into 5 enemies. They don't have the ability to assess if there are to many enemies and often just feed. It means that if the enemy bots start to push, they will likely get 4 kills with each tower.

Thank you. Some glaring mistakes that are inexcusable:
1. Inability to react to some spells which are game breaking. For example they will never reach to jakiro's spells, so have fun watching your entire team get frozen by 1 ice path and burning in macropyre.

2. Enemy team bots move as a single unit in the mid-late game and chain stuns perfectly, but your team just wanders around doing whatever the fuck they like. I had a necro bot steal aegis from under my nose and proceed to go NC while the enemy was pushing our tower with me pinging like mad.

3. "Doing Roshan!" then stand clumped up at the rosh pit staring at roshan, while you try your best to bring down his health, frantically pinging him in the process.

This is just the icing on the shit sundae that is Dota 2 bots.

Before someone says I'm stupid for playing with bots: I know I can play solo queue, team queue, co-op, even go normal bots, but I'm just saying. If they are serious about bringing in more new players (which I am not) they need to get it to at least be functional. At the moment it's broken beyond belief.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 05:54:29
October 27 2013 05:54 GMT
#84007
Medium bots are okay because the other team is as retarded as yours.

I'd argue that if you're trying to bring someone new into the game, having them on a difficulty above normal is counterproductive because viper lion lanes with perfect response times will crap all over them.

If someone's good enough to play with hard bots, they're probably good enough for MM or at least co-op.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 06:04:17
October 27 2013 06:03 GMT
#84008
teaching new players with bots is almost counterproductive. the enemy bots play solely five man doto with instant reaction chain stuns throughout mid-game. it's probably better throw them into newbie pubs where they can learn via mutual stupidity and acclimate to the tendencies of human players. plus the default suggested items are usually crap. valve should default the item/skill guide to a community-made newbie guide (also, a lot of new players do not notice/remember where the guide button is).
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 27 2013 06:11 GMT
#84009
Bot matches are still required if they know nothing about dota. They have to learn how to buy stuff, build items and how that map works. The tutorials can do that, but it's worthless if they want to play with a friend and be taught dota.

There is no right way to learn dota, anyways.
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Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
October 27 2013 06:12 GMT
#84010
On October 27 2013 14:05 LAN-f34r wrote:
What about blinks and such? If they work then the only "bug" is that the dota 2 area is curved and there is an extra area at the bottom right.


You could just cut the trees down and go in. Happened a few times in ACE league last year when the Chinese were still playing dota 1.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
October 27 2013 06:50 GMT
#84011
If you want teach someone new dota, you should just create a custom game without bots and let them PvE the creeps and get a hold of the mechanics and stuff.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
October 27 2013 06:52 GMT
#84012
On October 27 2013 15:50 Kishin2 wrote:
If you want teach someone new dota, you should just create a custom game without bots and let them PvE the creeps and get a hold of the mechanics and stuff.

That's actually decent. And then tell them to try and farm at least 100 cs in 20 minutes in a custom lobby. 100 at 20 isn't great, but at starting mmr levels you will be ownage.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 27 2013 07:10 GMT
#84013
I said this before but if you manage to out last hit the hard/unfair bots you will probably destroy everyone at lower mmr.
Cackle™
HazeB7onU
Profile Joined October 2013
Australia46 Posts
October 27 2013 08:06 GMT
#84014
Yeah surely just playing co-op bot solves the problem.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 27 2013 08:10 GMT
#84015
On October 27 2013 17:06 HazeB7onU wrote:
Yeah surely just playing co-op bot solves the problem.

I dont care how good the bots are - you can only learn so much by playing with non humans
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 27 2013 08:18 GMT
#84016
from what i've seen bots are a lot smarter than the humans in question lol
Cackle™
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
October 27 2013 08:23 GMT
#84017
On October 27 2013 15:52 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 15:50 Kishin2 wrote:
If you want teach someone new dota, you should just create a custom game without bots and let them PvE the creeps and get a hold of the mechanics and stuff.

That's actually decent. And then tell them to try and farm at least 100 cs in 20 minutes in a custom lobby. 100 at 20 isn't great, but at starting mmr levels you will be ownage.

It's gonna take new people hours and hours to get 100 at 20. Good luck at telling people to play one single scene hours and hours, you're trying to make people hate dota.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
October 27 2013 08:27 GMT
#84018
I don't mean for them to sit there for hours and hours, lol. Treat it as something you practice maybe once a day, and it would be a great help for newer players imo.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
October 27 2013 08:28 GMT
#84019
I really should practice that as well. I'm pretty awful.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
October 27 2013 08:33 GMT
#84020
Sometimes I go into a custom lobby and pick AM or Luna and just farm for 30 minutes, lol. It's actually great practice if you're like me and find it kind of fun

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