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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
On October 16 2013 19:35 AwfuL_ wrote: The problem with Tinker though is that unless you go Laser/Rocket, actually win your lane and participate in a lot of early kills, you usually are a hero that doesn't win games, only delays losing them. It doesn't help that you take about half the resources on the map with your team relegated to farming the mid lane and jungle camps. Tinker is an awesome jungle/ancient farmer aswell which many low level tinkers forget, especially on sentinel he is able to kill 3 camps at the same time. He is also able to shut down carries or instakill supports besides beeing able to stall for infinite time. Of course he also has very definite weaknesses but he is far more than a "delay-bot". | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On October 16 2013 19:35 AwfuL_ wrote: The problem with Tinker though is that unless you go Laser/Rocket, actually win your lane and participate in a lot of early kills, you usually are a hero that doesn't win games, only delays losing them. It doesn't help that you take about half the resources on the map with your team relegated to farming the mid lane and jungle camps. I've seen some amazing march tinkers, just pure good last hit mid, no tower gold neither kill, 8 minute BoT who won the game simply because it becomes incredibly hard to take a T1 against him or defend a T1. Then they get their items. And even I, as a bad tinker, have already stopped some really fat carries because of laser and permahex. So I would say of course tinker wins games because he is so insane late game. | ||
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Jyaki
Australia170 Posts
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
 Obviously, I'm not going to deny that a 4-6 slotted tinker starts to become really scary. But in order to get to the point where he actually becomes a factor the enemy has to be wary of, he needs at least 2150+2450+800+600+5675=11.675 gold. Other heroes need a lot less gold to contribute a similar amount of lockdown/damage. Think of a Blink Lion (~3600 gold), or a Lothars SF(~4500 gold). For every tinker that succesfully farms a 10 minute BoT/SR/Bottle there's like 10 Tinkers that lose their lane or fuck around near the Ancients from minute one, don't know how to properly farm ancients/jungle camps with March, don't correctly blink while splitpushing and end up getting picked off time and time again, all the while taking a ton of farm from their team while hardly contributing anything. So while tinker can obviously by a great asset to a team, in most pub games he is either a detriment or another hero would've simply been more useful. IMO it's not without reason that this hero has one of the lowest winrates. -E- and I love playing Tinker btw, so relaxing | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
what the hell, thats a pretty enormous buff to the skill through a bug ¬_¬ | ||
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Daaktard
Sweden380 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
So far I know you can escape it with storm ult,panda ult,disrupt and manta(tho you need to get lucky). Anything else? | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On October 16 2013 22:47 TheKefka wrote: Can someone tell me which skills can doj bara ult? So far I know you can escape it with storm ult,disrupt and manta(tho you need to get lucky). Anything else? phase shift, astral imprisonment, euls, waveform | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
those other spells are like disrupt so figured it's the same | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
This means that you ultimately need a team that is intelligent/coordinated enough to play around these weaknesses (or conversely, an enemy team that's too daft to abuse them) to really be successful. He can be a powerful hero, but he doesn't work as well with a random assortment of teammates the way many good pub heroes are expected to. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On October 16 2013 23:07 BurningSera wrote: Rubick stealing bara ult and use it at the exact same time. I have seen that before but not 100% if there was any other spell involved. Along the same lines...dodge with Omnislash perhaps? Might try it when I get home. It seems like it SHOULD work. | ||
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pedrlz
Brazil5234 Posts
On October 16 2013 22:39 Daaktard wrote: Playing Tinker is like having a job. so true | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10959 Posts
On October 16 2013 23:18 Spektor wrote: So getting back after not playing for two months because of time constraints and forgetting my password, I've finally come back to Dota. Has anything changed too much in pub games? Depending on your level of play. SPIRIT BREAKER HAS ARRIVED :D | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On October 16 2013 23:18 Spektor wrote: So getting back after not playing for two months because of time constraints and forgetting my password, I've finally come back to Dota. Has anything changed too much in pub games? Que have gotten incredibly shitty since release. Pudge could be seen in every single game after ti3 altough now its died down a bit. Warlock and bara are the new wrecking heroes, with Elder titan and timbersaw increasing in both popularity and dominance as we speak. They also removed the last tiny ability we could have to indicate any kind of skill level whatsoever, since you now cant search recent games on your nick anymore. Other than that, not much. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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