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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 08 2013 16:50 GMT
#81681
On October 09 2013 01:46 Erasme wrote:
drows dps is way higher than vipers o_o

Very different heroes, but whatever ranged yolo pubstomp huehuehue
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
October 08 2013 17:21 GMT
#81682
Obviously it is just that there is no skilled sniper carry player out there.

+ Show Spoiler +
23 games vs 9 games ffs lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 08 2013 17:27 GMT
#81683
Yeah I have no clue why you'd compare Drow and Viper, lol.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 08 2013 17:28 GMT
#81684
On October 09 2013 02:27 TheYango wrote:
Yeah I have no clue why you'd compare Drow and Viper, lol.

Orb, Slow, both build lothars

I mean, they are practically the same hero.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 17:36:35
October 08 2013 17:34 GMT
#81685
On October 09 2013 01:46 Erasme wrote:
drows dps is way higher than vipers o_o

Viper has better laning and has BKB-piercing slow on ult. DPS doesn't turn out to matter as much.
On October 09 2013 02:27 TheYango wrote:
Yeah I have no clue why you'd compare Drow and Viper, lol.

They both serve exactly the same function in fights, which is to stand still or maybe kite and just right-click people. Slow the targets, deal high DPS. It's also essentially the same role as Sniper, except his "slow" is actually a series of ministuns.
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
October 08 2013 17:34 GMT
#81686
Sniper is better than Drow because he is shorter so harder to hit

it's like none of you ever played Goldeneye
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 08 2013 17:34 GMT
#81687
On October 09 2013 02:34 Gosi wrote:
Sniper is better than Drow because he is shorter so harder to hit

it's like none of you ever played Goldeneye


oddjob so op
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 08 2013 17:38 GMT
#81688
who still builds lothars on viper?
noob as fuck build
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 08 2013 17:42 GMT
#81689
On October 09 2013 02:38 Shaella wrote:
who still builds lothars on viper?
noob as fuck build

Forgot about Dagon first build.

My bad.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
October 08 2013 17:46 GMT
#81690
On October 09 2013 02:42 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 02:38 Shaella wrote:
who still builds lothars on viper?
noob as fuck build

Forgot about Dagon first build.

My bad.

Aghs is a legit build, because his ult is like 90% of what he has going for him after laning stage. Land your ult on, say, a Lifestealer, and they're going to be useless for the next 5 seconds. 7 seconds later, you do it again.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
October 08 2013 17:46 GMT
#81691
On October 09 2013 02:34 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 02:27 TheYango wrote:
Yeah I have no clue why you'd compare Drow and Viper, lol.

They both serve exactly the same function in fights, which is to stand still or maybe kite and just right-click people. Slow the targets, deal high DPS. It's also essentially the same role as Sniper, except his "slow" is actually a series of ministuns.

To a certain extent I can understand seeing Sniper and Drow as similar but Viper has nothing to do in that category. He does incredibly well as a frontline and/or utility hero, something which suits neither Drow nor Sniper.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
October 08 2013 17:48 GMT
#81692
On October 09 2013 02:46 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 02:34 Acritter wrote:
On October 09 2013 02:27 TheYango wrote:
Yeah I have no clue why you'd compare Drow and Viper, lol.

They both serve exactly the same function in fights, which is to stand still or maybe kite and just right-click people. Slow the targets, deal high DPS. It's also essentially the same role as Sniper, except his "slow" is actually a series of ministuns.

To a certain extent I can understand seeing Sniper and Drow as similar but Viper has nothing to do in that category. He does incredibly well as a frontline and/or utility hero, something which suits neither Drow nor Sniper.

They all do the same thing: limit the enemy team's mobility and deal right-click damage. The reason why Viper's best at it is that he can take a hit and go through BKB.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 08 2013 17:52 GMT
#81693
On October 09 2013 02:48 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 02:46 r.Evo wrote:
On October 09 2013 02:34 Acritter wrote:
On October 09 2013 02:27 TheYango wrote:
Yeah I have no clue why you'd compare Drow and Viper, lol.

They both serve exactly the same function in fights, which is to stand still or maybe kite and just right-click people. Slow the targets, deal high DPS. It's also essentially the same role as Sniper, except his "slow" is actually a series of ministuns.

To a certain extent I can understand seeing Sniper and Drow as similar but Viper has nothing to do in that category. He does incredibly well as a frontline and/or utility hero, something which suits neither Drow nor Sniper.

They all do the same thing: limit the enemy team's mobility and deal right-click damage. The reason why Viper's best at it is that he can take a hit and go through BKB.

Viper's best at laning.

I would say he's picked up 75% because of his laning ability.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
October 08 2013 17:54 GMT
#81694
On October 09 2013 02:52 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 02:48 Acritter wrote:
On October 09 2013 02:46 r.Evo wrote:
On October 09 2013 02:34 Acritter wrote:
On October 09 2013 02:27 TheYango wrote:
Yeah I have no clue why you'd compare Drow and Viper, lol.

They both serve exactly the same function in fights, which is to stand still or maybe kite and just right-click people. Slow the targets, deal high DPS. It's also essentially the same role as Sniper, except his "slow" is actually a series of ministuns.

To a certain extent I can understand seeing Sniper and Drow as similar but Viper has nothing to do in that category. He does incredibly well as a frontline and/or utility hero, something which suits neither Drow nor Sniper.

They all do the same thing: limit the enemy team's mobility and deal right-click damage. The reason why Viper's best at it is that he can take a hit and go through BKB.

Viper's best at laning.

I would say he's picked up 75% because of his laning ability.

Yup, another thing I already mentioned.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 17:55:48
October 08 2013 17:54 GMT
#81695
They are kind of similar, but different in that Viper is much better at laning while Drow is pretty awful at it, but is a much better carry if she's given space to farm.

eh, beaten to it by Comeh
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
October 08 2013 17:59 GMT
#81696
On October 09 2013 02:54 Daozzt wrote:
They are kind of similar, but different in that Viper is much better at laning while Drow is pretty awful at it, but is a much better carry if she's given space to farm.

eh, beaten to it by Comeh

They're practically the same hero, but Viper's better. There aren't any other heroes who are anywhere near as similar.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 08 2013 18:01 GMT
#81697
Viper should build aghs errygame
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
October 08 2013 18:02 GMT
#81698
Mek Ags viper is the only way to play him anymore IMO.

It makes me want to try Mek on Drow. The problem is I have no idea how to follow it up. Maybe Manta or something.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 08 2013 18:08 GMT
#81699
Mek on Drow would be hopeless. Viper functions under the "you can't run and you can't fight" plan, since he slows you and your attack speed and has corrosive skin etc. You just need enough HP to make sure they can't just kill you (hence mek/aghs builds).

Drow is completely different, since she needs 2 Large items (about 10K net worth) before she gets to the "you can't fight me" stage. Otherwise all you have to do is literally run at her and she loses any manfight. All a mek would do is delay the inevitable. Sure, you can't really run from drow but that isn't the point. Drow is forced to play extremely opportunistically before this, which again isn't what a mek would complement.

Lastly drow's a position 1 hero who needs farm and has no flash-farm ability. So she needs farming items (aka damage items) ASAP. Viper doesn't suffer that limitation.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 18:21:47
October 08 2013 18:18 GMT
#81700
How are Drow and Viper at all similar beyond having an orb and being ranged. It's like saying Sand King and Nyx are similar because they're both melee and have a stun

On October 09 2013 01:13 SKC wrote:
Didn't Poseidon stomp Fnatic with Drow?

Not that stomping Fnatic is really an achievement these days.

Yea, that game was awesome. Treant armor and abadon shield making squishy DPSers unkillable.
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