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Velr
Switzerland10958 Posts
Until you play with explosives, then Jaws OP... | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:02 LeLoup wrote: Mek Ags viper is the only way to play him anymore IMO. It makes me want to try Mek on Drow. The problem is I have no idea how to follow it up. Maybe Manta or something. Tried Mek already on Drow... Treads, Aquila, Drums, Mek build up. Lots of stats, a bit tanky. Manta and Butterfly for late game. I don't know if it's really good or not, but we did win. Her flash farm ability is sorta there because of the bonus damage you get from ultimate. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Drow has no inherent defensive stats, so Mek doesn't suddenly round out your defensive stats the same way. On October 09 2013 02:34 Acritter wrote: They both serve exactly the same function in fights, which is to stand still or maybe kite and just right-click people. Slow the targets, deal high DPS. It's also essentially the same role as Sniper, except his "slow" is actually a series of ministuns. Most Viper routes of development these days are actually capable of being a front-liner that absorbs a round of spells thanks to his high defensive stats with Mek or Drums. There's no conceivable way to do this with Drow without neutering her damage. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:22 Velr wrote: Until you play with explosives, then Jaws OP... techies > sniper > drow | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:08 Sn0_Man wrote: Lastly drow's a position 1 hero who needs farm and has no flash-farm ability. So she needs farming items (aka damage items) ASAP. Viper doesn't suffer that limitation. This isn't actually a really correct evaluation of Drow. The main thing is that at level 6 + treads she passes the "can farm jungle faster than lane without losing HP or mana" benchmark (thanks to the bug where big creeps still get the 7 second Frost Arrows slow even though they should get the hero duration slow). Very few people actually recognize this and take advantage of it, though. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:31 TheYango wrote: The thing about Mek on Viper is that it complements his existing defensive stats to make him really tanky. He has attack speed slows and magic resistance. He needs armor and HP. Mek gives these and thereby rounds out his defensive stats making him really tanky midgame. Drow has no inherent defensive stats, so Mek doesn't suddenly round out your defensive stats the same way. Most Viper routes of development these days are actually capable of being a front-liner that absorbs a round of spells thanks to his high defensive stats with Mek or Drums. There's no conceivable way to do this with Drow without neutering her damage. Well, its worth noting that Drow inherently has rather insane DPS given her ultimate and that she is positioned well, but I think in my head I would consider a BKB pretty early on this hero rather than a mek. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:35 TheYango wrote: This isn't actually a really correct evaluation of Drow. The main thing is that at level 6 + treads she passes the "can farm jungle faster than lane without losing HP or mana" benchmark (thanks to the bug where big creeps still get the 7 second Frost Arrows slow even though they should get the hero duration slow). Very few people actually recognize this and take advantage of it, though. Yeah I do this already, but it's such a pain to do compared to other afk junglers. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Arguably, minimizing the number of hits to kill a creep camp by switching targets on Battle Fury carries takes more effort than this. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:48 TheYango wrote: How? It's 2-3 clicks more to manually apply Frost Arrows to the creeps in a camp. Arguably, minimizing the number of hits to kill a creep camp by switching targets on Battle Fury carries takes more effort than this. You'd be surprised how few people do this though. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
PS: yes I'm the kind of person that has issues clicking on things in this dumb game my mouse accuracy is atrocious. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 09 2013 03:40 Comeh wrote: Well, its worth noting that Drow inherently has rather insane DPS given her ultimate and that she is positioned well, but I think in my head I would consider a BKB pretty early on this hero rather than a mek. Her "insane" DPS is highly situational, just like how Sniper can hit insane DPS if he procs Headshots constantly. Drow Ranger the hero has been the center of the balancing discussions for a long time now and there isn't a good way to fix her without a total re-work because none of her skills make any sense as a whole on a complete hero. Compared to say Viper since we are on that hero comparison, his ultimate puts out more damage simply because it leads to more, Drow has to extend far for it while Viper doesn't. DotA's mechanics don't really allow for hero kiting while harassing (like you would see Vulture/Dragoon micro in BW for example). The biggest problem with the hero is that the payoff is trivial compared to the other carries. She doesn't have a great way of spiking her GPM and she just gets hammered if she doesn't go BKB. Just too many things to address and no real efficient way to address them. Like when you look at the heroes that see play commonly or fringe, you see they all have skills that have high impact directly or indirectly, Drow doesn't at all besides....her Silence which people have said was her best skill since like 2005. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On October 09 2013 04:01 FinestHour wrote: ya they needa give drow aoe frost arrow in frontal cone and free ward every 40 seconds then she would be competitively viable Lesaxex the Drownomancer. | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
On October 09 2013 04:13 Nocticate wrote: The way that drow uses bkb isn't very useful. She uses bkb to keep alive and away. The best bkb carries right now use bkb to get up in people's faces, the exact opposite. imo phase into yasha (maybe all the way to manta) is a better rush. Yes, phase. It complements her kiting ability much much better. Treads MoM drow best build. You're useless anyway if they jump on you, better have that lifesteal + imba ms. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
For an early mid game push lineup that aims to end the game in 30 mins she complements alot powerhouse mid game oriented heroes. Drow + SF are a scary combo at the 20 min mark. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
The aura is a strong ability but its like a Venge aura that requires farm to scale whereas venge aura scales with your carries farm and venge can support happily. The globality of it is cute but doesn't help as much as you'd think beyond last-hitting in lane. Otherwise if your team needs the aura they probably need you there anyway. | ||
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