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myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
October 08 2013 21:11 GMT
#81721
Everytime I play 5v5 CM with my buddies, they seem to think highly of OD/Silencer (take their int for OD). At first glance its probably hard to lane, and pretty paper too. but let's say a pro team wanted to mess around with this, how would you ban/draft for it? Would you play silencer as a support or as a safe lane farming carry in this set up?

Of course this is assuming OD gets through the ban phase

IMO You'd probably want to quick ban some sort of Wisp/Bat so that you take out good gankers for OD. Naga is optional since she can work for you if you're sure to draft her (sleep while waiting for relocate, but if they get it. Sleep to counter initiate).

So anyone want to humor me with some ideas?
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 08 2013 21:13 GMT
#81722
On October 09 2013 03:48 TheYango wrote:
How? It's 2-3 clicks more to manually apply Frost Arrows to the creeps in a camp.

Arguably, minimizing the number of hits to kill a creep camp by switching targets on Battle Fury carries takes more effort than this.

bfury carries can be played with 1 hand
drow is 2 hard
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 08 2013 21:19 GMT
#81723
On October 09 2013 06:11 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Everytime I play 5v5 CM with my buddies, they seem to think highly of OD/Silencer (take their int for OD). At first glance its probably hard to lane, and pretty paper too. but let's say a pro team wanted to mess around with this, how would you ban/draft for it? Would you play silencer as a support or as a safe lane farming carry in this set up?

Of course this is assuming OD gets through the ban phase

IMO You'd probably want to quick ban some sort of Wisp/Bat so that you take out good gankers for OD. Naga is optional since she can work for you if you're sure to draft her (sleep while waiting for relocate, but if they get it. Sleep to counter initiate).

So anyone want to humor me with some ideas?

i dont see how those match up together? silencer will always be full mana, but thats about i guess
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 08 2013 21:19 GMT
#81724
OD's awkward since you have to ensure that they don't get razor, but you also probably need to ban at least bat and probably wisp as well.

Beyond that, if you can get him go ahead.

Silencer is less explored but its safe to say that with his Ult (and with OD ult) your team will be looking to win teamfights. Which means you need to ban split pushers since thats the easiest way for teamfight comps to lose (plus silencer and OD are both seriously lacking in mobility). 2nd phase bans probably should focus on heroes like Nature's Prophet. Note that weaver isn't actually that big an issue for you since silencing him is a death sentence, and AM is weak vs both silencer and OD in general.

Beyond that it's up to you to explore what works. Silencer can be played as a carry or a support in the trilane but if you play him as a support be aware that he doesn't bring any serious disable so you may need to compensate for that.

OD can also be played as a safe-lane solo if you choose to go agressive, leaving yourself with the choice to send somebody else mid who may match up better versus their mid if they chose a somewhat direct counter (Razor, Lone Druid, Kunkka). OD also crushes most offlaners so no need to worry about that.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#81725
you have to draft pudge slark and undying for base stats advantage team
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 08 2013 21:25 GMT
#81726
SB + Undying imba dual lane.
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hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
October 08 2013 21:26 GMT
#81727
On October 09 2013 04:19 Gheizen64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 04:13 Nocticate wrote:
The way that drow uses bkb isn't very useful. She uses bkb to keep alive and away. The best bkb carries right now use bkb to get up in people's faces, the exact opposite. imo phase into yasha (maybe all the way to manta) is a better rush. Yes, phase. It complements her kiting ability much much better.


Treads MoM drow best build. You're useless anyway if they jump on you, better have that lifesteal + imba ms.

Yah... this is how I play her, and she's my most played hero for what that's worth. Stacking movespeed is the way to go imo. Perma-522 is just delicious... kiting a lycan is fun stuff.

You have to be ridiculously attentive to enemy vision/focus though and a lot depends on how patient the facerushers/blink heroes on the enemy team are.
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 21:28:51
October 08 2013 21:27 GMT
#81728
On October 09 2013 06:11 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Everytime I play 5v5 CM with my buddies, they seem to think highly of OD/Silencer (take their int for OD). At first glance its probably hard to lane, and pretty paper too. but let's say a pro team wanted to mess around with this, how would you ban/draft for it? Would you play silencer as a support or as a safe lane farming carry in this set up?

Of course this is assuming OD gets through the ban phase

IMO You'd probably want to quick ban some sort of Wisp/Bat so that you take out good gankers for OD. Naga is optional since she can work for you if you're sure to draft her (sleep while waiting for relocate, but if they get it. Sleep to counter initiate).

So anyone want to humor me with some ideas?


Sure, I've ran that lane before.

Throw chen or chantress in the jungle, run safelane OD with silencer as 5th position support. Mid and offlane you probably want teamfight oriented midgame cores to synergize with chen/OD/silencer combination.

mid game push oriented
Radiant
Weaver offlane, DK mid, OD/Silencer bot, Chen jungle

or

late game wombo combo
Dire
OD top with silencer, mag mid, dark seer bottom, jungle doom

I agree with your assessment on bans, especially banning naga (probably even first ban). Rest of the bans are going towards shutting down their combo's.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
October 08 2013 21:31 GMT
#81729
Take 5's disqualified from Columbus
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 08 2013 21:32 GMT
#81730
On October 09 2013 06:31 Kuroeeah wrote:
Take 5's disqualified from Columbus

Called it ;]
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 08 2013 21:33 GMT
#81731
On October 09 2013 06:31 Kuroeeah wrote:
Take 5's disqualified from Columbus

link yo
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 08 2013 21:33 GMT
#81732
On October 09 2013 06:32 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 06:31 Kuroeeah wrote:
Take 5's disqualified from Columbus

Called it ;]



why are they DQ'd?

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 08 2013 21:34 GMT
#81733
Naga's actually much less crucial to ban when you have a silencer, since you can ensure that their follow up to sleep is negligible without BKBs, and you can prevent reactionary sleeps to escape.

OD is extremely reliant on levels until at least level 11, so giving him a solo (be it safe lane or mid) is much preferable to having him baby sat, in general. Especially since his laning prowess is such that he generally has no use for an ally in lane.

Keep in mind that with OD and silencer you are lacking almost any kind of slow/immobilize so the rest of your lineup would do well to incorporate something that hinders your opponent's mobility.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
October 08 2013 21:35 GMT
#81734
On October 09 2013 06:33 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 06:32 Comeh wrote:
On October 09 2013 06:31 Kuroeeah wrote:
Take 5's disqualified from Columbus

Called it ;]



why are they DQ'd?


For not using their real roster during the qualifiers.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 08 2013 21:38 GMT
#81735


MSS was standing in for DeMoN.
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
October 08 2013 21:49 GMT
#81736
#RoadtoTI5
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
October 08 2013 21:50 GMT
#81737
LMAO
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 08 2013 21:53 GMT
#81738
Anyone know where the info on the quals is? I want to look at the bracket but can't find it.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 08 2013 21:59 GMT
#81739
well if rules clearly state no standins (which is an odd rule tho) its justified.
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 22:05:05
October 08 2013 22:03 GMT
#81740
comeh said in irc that it's because MSS is on team EG, who are team competing at MLG. You can use a stand-in, you just can't use a stand-in that's actively participating in the same tournament. Which makes sense to limit colluding etc.
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