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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 15:38:44
October 07 2013 15:38 GMT
#81541
Necrolyte and DP are both heavily-farm reliant squishy heroes severely lacking in escape mechanisms. While they have "flash-farm" abilities those are tied to very heavy mana consumption which they need a baseline of farm to sustain. Sending them offlane is a great way to neuter them. Adding a support/buddy/ally merely leeches their XP.

Lich +1 offlane is sick tho. Only problem is then you have a lich...
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 15:41:11
October 07 2013 15:39 GMT
#81542
Necrolyte and DP are both decent 1v2 safe lane, but I wouldn't put them 2v2 or 2v3 off-lane.

On October 08 2013 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Lich +1 offlane is sick tho. Only problem is then you have a lich...

You have 1 useless support. They have 2 if they went with an improperly played trilane.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 07 2013 15:40 GMT
#81543
On October 08 2013 00:35 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 00:24 Shaella wrote:
in pubs you can actually build really retarded offlane duolanes that can even take on tris after like, they get 2-3 levels

Like Necrolyte and Death Prophet are actually both solid in that slot

Lich + a survivable off-laner (e.g. Lich + DS, Lich + WR) crushes like 90% of pub 2v2s and 2v3s since most pub trilanes don't actually know how to punish you and just bleed XP on their starved supports.

EDIT: There's a lot of stuff you can do with off-lane 2v2 even at a high level, it's just that people have played 1-1-3 for so long that off-lane 2v2 is like a forgotten art.

Oh yeah, Lich + 1 is a brutally strong lane in 2v2 or even 2v3
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 07 2013 15:42 GMT
#81544
On October 08 2013 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Necrolyte and DP are both heavily-farm reliant squishy heroes severely lacking in escape mechanisms. While they have "flash-farm" abilities those are tied to very heavy mana consumption which they need a baseline of farm to sustain. Sending them offlane is a great way to neuter them. Adding a support/buddy/ally merely leeches their XP.

Lich +1 offlane is sick tho. Only problem is then you have a lich...

They actually do pretty ok in that scenario, Necro moreso than DP, because he's a bit less level reliant.

Like you can actually just build an early mek on that offlane 2v2 Necro and pretty much just crush fights
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
October 07 2013 15:43 GMT
#81545
What is the chance of PA critting twice in a row? With the PRNG thingy. Or are her crits not affected by that?

(me)Getting critted twice in a row from PA just cost me a game! :D
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
October 07 2013 15:45 GMT
#81546
I wouldn't be surprised if Lich comes into competitive games just to simply dominate an aggressive trilane.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 15:57:46
October 07 2013 15:48 GMT
#81547
You can't play lich against aggro tri since they will both dive you early and push your tower.

A simple solution to lich +1 offlane is for one support to dedicate himself to pulling (thus offsetting the XP loss somewhat, although not for your carry) and the other to rotate to help it's own offlane, making that lane even or favourable. It is quite costly to your carry though since once lich hits level 3 your carry needs like tranquils or a ring of health plus all your support's tangoes to stay on lane. But they still have a lich lol.

E: if you mean putting lich IN an aggressive tri thats actually pretty useless as well. Lich doesn't bring enough damage/disable to the lane until level 3 or 4, which while you will hit it first is probably too late since they should be able to punish your other support.

Basically, the addition of a support to a lich +1 lane is unlikely to allow it to manfight an opposing trilane, so all it does is leech xp (since you shouldn't be dying with that lane). Bad plan. Your goal is to deny THEIR lane as much farm as possible with lich. Then you add somebody survivable to soak up the XP and farm that comes to the tower (since lich is too vulnerable solo and isn't terribly useful with that farm anyway). No need for a third component.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 15:50:39
October 07 2013 15:50 GMT
#81548
On October 08 2013 00:43 Slomo wrote:
What is the chance of PA critting twice in a row? With the PRNG thingy. Or are her crits not affected by that?

(me)Getting critted twice in a row from PA just cost me a game! :D

Getting a proc on first hit of a 15% chance ability with PRNG happens around 3% of the time. You cannot math it out for both hits since you don't know how many attacks she did before getting the first crit. It could still be 3% if she went through 30 attacks with no crits or could be as low as 0.1% if she just hit a crit before attacking you.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 15:53:10
October 07 2013 15:52 GMT
#81549
Considering the fact that the PA must have attacked hundreds of times that game, a first hit crit here or there is to be expected. Frustrating, but expected.

EDIT: who has the great sig about luck? I don't remember but i think its: "Luck is just statistics taken personally -Rekrul". So true.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
October 07 2013 16:00 GMT
#81550
This one time I played a WR Lich lane with a certain guy in this thread
Like we did really well then our safelane fed really hard

Then we realized unless I pull an LoH every second against their team we would lose
Unfortunately i fed eventually too

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yango pls
dats racist
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
October 07 2013 17:12 GMT
#81551
I miss that yellow slug-ified Hydralisk, remember we almost see him in every game and suddenly nerf hammer and then he never come back anymore (except those rare picks/feeds from synderen).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 07 2013 17:18 GMT
#81552
buff gale manacost plx
remember that fake patch where his ult would damage towers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 07 2013 17:24 GMT
#81553
Yellow slug was my best support. Maybe because I'm African.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 07 2013 17:28 GMT
#81554
you're white tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
October 07 2013 17:29 GMT
#81555
But he's still African.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 07 2013 17:34 GMT
#81556
Well, a lot of veno's reduced play has less to do with his nerf, and more to do with better supports existing in the pool.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#81557
On October 08 2013 02:29 TheEmulator wrote:
But he's still African.

stop twisting our words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#81558
This rasicm can't handle. Can't a poor man just live in a world where he's accepted for what he is!
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 17:54:37
October 07 2013 17:40 GMT
#81559
Summon chen 2.0 to say hi!


sorry......

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it is still a goddamn mind boggling decision from valve designer
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 07 2013 18:03 GMT
#81560
To be fair, he was an orc in the first time. Now i'm not gonna write the question we all have in our minds..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
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