On October 03 2013 04:23 trinxified wrote: Getting Bfury on any hero other than AM is usually bad or just situational (like against PL or something) right?
I mean PA/Jugg/Void, etc. are better off with a different item build rather than rush Bfury...
Speaking of Void, what's the standard-ish item build for him? For some reason I can't keep this hero rolling in pubs unless I'm already being carried by team mates into the mid-game.
Cleave in a chronosphere with MoM attack speed is absurdly good at just killing everything in the chrono. Bfury is very, very good on Void. It also provides good regen to keep him farming and attack damage.
I find MoM to be vastly overrated as a first item. Its a gamble that seems to rarely pay off in pubs.
As for building...I just try to get Midas or Battlefury or both plus treads. Then MoM and start killing stuff. *Shrug* Works for me.
On October 03 2013 05:17 TheYango wrote: BF Spectre sucks because Spec's Agi growth is awful, and so it doesn't boost her farming speed effectively when she ends up with a severe lack of Attack Speed.
Agi treads should address that, but the real reason is just that Radiance works so well with her ult.
For reference, Antimage will have 5 more points of Agility than her at level 11. They start out with roughly the same damage. Attack speed is not even close to being the reason here.
Its not like AM has a 1.45 Bat
Heh, good point. Sorry to forget it. But still, if you've ever gotten brown boots Bfury on AM, you'll know he has pretty bad attack speed. Spectre won't be very far behind. It's only when you really get Treads and Yasha into the mix that you get a major difference. The core point still stands, though. Haunt+Radiance is just too good. The Radiance practically gives you a free Zeus ultimate on top of your normal ultimate. AM has no such benefit and greatly desires the mana regen, so the significantly cheaper Battlefury is the better option.
The assumption is Treads Spec, which is in many cases quite awkward to begin with.
It's also quite valid here because the nature of Spectre's kit makes a defensive item the most typical follow-up to her first farming item. A Radiance Spectre often doesn't buy a single point of AS until her 3rd item.
Its worth nothing that most Spects will buy Drums before Radiance given the opportunity, and radiance isn't quite used as a farming item per se, more as a multipurpose farming / teamfight item.
It's not that BF is bad on Spectre in a void, but its painfully mediocre and doesn't fit her kit compared to an alternative, nor does it fit the flow of the game that spectre needs to match through other items (well, I guess that is to say BF is bad on spectre). This is pretty much the same for every carry melee that doesn't build BF. I wouldn't say attack speed is the reason you don't build this item.
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