EPTOn August 28 2013 06:36 TheEmulator wrote:
Just a reminder we don't like the use of twitch chat emotes on TL
Just a reminder we don't like the use of twitch chat emotes on TL
OMFG THAT SHINY NES CONTROLLER
WOW. want.
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
OMFG THAT SHINY NES CONTROLLER WOW. want. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 28 2013 06:43 Yoshi- wrote: I am pretty sure that they could have removed it if they wanted, you cannt even stack in classic wc3, so saying that it is a bug is a bit far stretched More or less, Icefrog even made corpses no longer block spawns in 6.72, which completely changed jungling entirely (and is arguably part of what propelled Lycan, Chen, and Enchan being so strong from that version all the way up to TI2). | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 28 2013 06:48 Yoshi- wrote: If you say denying wasn't intended you could also say that last hitting wasn't intended. Both are normal features(killing enemies and own units) from wc3. Last hits were always intended. There is a diference in a mechanic that you build your game knowing will work that way, such as last hitting or leveling up, and something like creep stacking, that wasn't intentional, but after it's discovery wasn't removed because the developer thought it was a good addition. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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TheEmulator
28103 Posts
 Also just some back story if anyone is confused. My name came from liking SNES Emulators (also Nintendo in general was my life growing up), and I was playing Chrono Trigger on an Emulator the day I signed up for TL | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 28 2013 06:58 TheEmulator wrote: Bro plz. It's SNES, not NES Also just some back story if anyone is confused. My name came from liking SNES Emulators (also Nintendo in general was my life growing up), and I was playing Chrono Trigger on an Emulator the day I signed up for TL Should be a keyboard then! Not really. | ||
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
On August 28 2013 06:57 SKC wrote: Last hits were always intended. There is a diference in a mechanic that you build your game knowing will work that way, such as last hitting or leveling up, and something like creep stacking, that wasn't intentional, but after it's discovery wasn't removed because the developer thought it was a good addition. All the best games embrace early fun bugs as game mechanics, part of the reason why BW was so great. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On August 28 2013 06:56 Torte de Lini wrote: Would you guys consider this a quality of DotA and even now in Dota 2 or something to omit? The way unintended consequences of various map features are used in gameplay is a HUGE feature of dota. As somebody else said, it is just like broodwar. "Magic Boxes" and "Drone Drills" and other such interesting mechanics were obviously not "intentional" but rather side-effects of other things that turn out to be fascinating and abuseable game mechanics that add a LOT to the gameplay. E: and stop lurkers, and walling techniques, etc. The list in BW is long and thats a huge part of why it was so cool: depth to explore. Dota has just as many quirks that make it amazing. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On August 28 2013 06:59 Esoterikk wrote: All the best games embrace early fun bugs as game mechanics, part of the reason why BW was so great. A lot of those things are simply too awesome for any dev to think of it. That's a big reason why certain things (e.g. muta stacking or magic boxes) turned out so great in the first place. Most modern games (e.g. SC2 or League) have a much more "designed" feel to them. Someone at one point sat down and thought "Hey, wouldn't this or that be awesome?" while games like Dota and BW (to some extent also e.g. CS 1.6 or Q3) evolved themself so to speak. Imagine someone fixed strafejumping when it was first discovered. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On August 28 2013 07:01 Sn0_Man wrote: The way unintended consequences of various map features are used in gameplay is a HUGE feature of dota. As somebody else said, it is just like broodwar. "Magic Boxes" and "Drone Drills" and other such interesting mechanics were obviously not "intentional" but rather side-effects of other things that turn out to be fascinating and abuseable game mechanics that add a LOT to the gameplay. E: and stop lurkers, and walling techniques, etc. The list in BW is long and thats a huge part of why it was so cool: depth to explore. Dota has just as many quirks that make it amazing. I've written it as a beautiful foundation that lead the new dimensions and techniques to innovate gameplay and thus, strategy. I also used the Chen/Pudge Dendi clip to show that Dota 2 maintained this consistency of working to streamline bugs that was both balanced and consistent. Something like that | ||
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
On August 28 2013 07:03 r.Evo wrote: A lot of those things are simply too awesome for any dev to think of it. That's a big reason why certain things (e.g. muta stacking or magic boxes) turned out so great in the first place. Most modern games (e.g. SC2 or League) have a much more "designed" feel to them. Someone at one point sat down and thought "Hey, wouldn't this or that be awesome?" while games like Dota and BW (to some extent also e.g. CS 1.6 or Q3) evolved themself so to speak. Imagine someone fixed strafejumping when it was first discovered. Yeah, It's why I feel we may never fully get a great gaming experience out of a large company with the same type of fun mechanics we seen early on because companies are way more focused on that "designed" feeling you are talking about and fix bugs almost immediately. Of course this is why games like Dota still exist, it would be nice if devs realized this sooner than later. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
I hate chen + pudge mechanics. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
On August 28 2013 06:58 TheEmulator wrote: Bro plz. It's SNES, not NES Also just some back story if anyone is confused. My name came from liking SNES Emulators (also Nintendo in general was my life growing up), and I was playing Chrono Trigger on an Emulator the day I signed up for TL Now everybody's going to call you TheController. I hope you prepared yourself mentally. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On August 28 2013 07:04 Torte de Lini wrote: I've written it as a beautiful foundation that lead the new dimensions and techniques to innovate gameplay and thus, strategy. I also used the Chen/Pudge Dendi clip to show that Dota 2 maintained this consistency of working to streamline bugs that was both balanced and consistent. Something like that That's probably an awkward clip to choose for that specificly since part of those plays consists of an unintentional bug and, according to Chinese casters, Na'Vi wasn't allowed to use it in the finals because of that. (The hook projectile doesn't match the visuals) ...a better example would be KotLs illuminate range that was bugged to be too long in Dota 2. It however suddenly made people pick the hero and Icefrog later changed it officially to the "bugged" range in 6.75. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On August 28 2013 07:05 Comeh wrote: I love unintentional bugs adding to gameplay. I hate chen + pudge mechanics. All unintentional bugs dont have to add to gameplay. Some can make it worse. Whether or not Chenhooks make the game worse are another matter entirely (I for one would argue that no matter how "fair" the Navi game was, it was still SUPER interesting to watch). | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On August 28 2013 07:07 Two_DoWn wrote: All unintentional bugs dont have to add to gameplay. Some can make it worse. Whether or not Chenhooks make the game worse are another matter entirely (I for one would argue that no matter how "fair" the Navi game was, it was still SUPER interesting to watch). I would argue that when you see fountain hooks ending tons of exciting games just by some lucky pick up, you won't say that it is Interesting to watch. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On August 28 2013 07:09 TheYango wrote: I mean there are some bugs that just reach a level of absurdity where you simply can't keep them in the game (e.g. OD). | ||
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