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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
August 27 2013 03:47 GMT
#74221
On August 27 2013 12:32 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 12:13 NB wrote:
On August 27 2013 10:50 AgentW wrote:
I just played SF for the first time and, wow, now I know why people say he's "all skill." The first ability is really hard to use.

actually i could recommend people who has around 1000 hours into dota to learn the game with SF. You gota learn map control, learn skill shot and lastly: learn to last hit. SF is pretty much a well rounded hero that is very high rewarding for good plays and is a good hero to keep track of your personal improvement.

But yeah if you are new SF is pretty hard >.>.... not as hard as meepo though


I'd argue that learning Invoker is harder.


7 years of dota and i've never played invoker lol
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
August 27 2013 03:50 GMT
#74222
invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn.
vpatrickd
Profile Joined November 2010
Indonesia279 Posts
August 27 2013 04:30 GMT
#74223
On August 27 2013 12:50 aintz wrote:
invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn.

You can try the invoker game (invoker game . com) (without space)
it helps practice your memorization of his spells and your finger agility to quickly change spells in the allotted time.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 27 2013 04:45 GMT
#74224
On August 27 2013 12:32 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 12:13 NB wrote:
On August 27 2013 10:50 AgentW wrote:
I just played SF for the first time and, wow, now I know why people say he's "all skill." The first ability is really hard to use.

actually i could recommend people who has around 1000 hours into dota to learn the game with SF. You gota learn map control, learn skill shot and lastly: learn to last hit. SF is pretty much a well rounded hero that is very high rewarding for good plays and is a good hero to keep track of your personal improvement.

But yeah if you are new SF is pretty hard >.>.... not as hard as meepo though


I'd argue that learning Invoker is harder.


compared to meepo or to SF?

to SF, maybe

but meepo? Invoker is definitely easier
ffxiv enjoyer
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
August 27 2013 04:52 GMT
#74225
When will we have a D2 Power Rank?
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 05:10:18
August 27 2013 05:09 GMT
#74226
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote:
When will we have a D2 Power Rank?

Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 06:03:40
August 27 2013 05:53 GMT
#74227
On August 27 2013 13:30 vpatrickd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 12:50 aintz wrote:
invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn.

You can try the invoker game (invoker game . com) (without space)
it helps practice your memorization of his spells and your finger agility to quickly change spells in the allotted time.


i dont think its too hard, the only spell that i had to actively memorize is ice wall since all the other spells get used so regularly that it wasn't hard for me to learn it.

the spells that are may take a few games to remember are meteor eew, tornado wwq, and alacrity wwe.

forge spirit, cold snap emp susntrike sonic blast gets used so often and are so easy to remember that it doesn't take any effort to memorize it.

edit: forgot to mention QQWalk =p
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 27 2013 06:12 GMT
#74228
On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote:
When will we have a D2 Power Rank?

Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that

D2 power ranks are by team
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 06:14:45
August 27 2013 06:12 GMT
#74229
On August 27 2013 14:53 Tsutchie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 13:30 vpatrickd wrote:
On August 27 2013 12:50 aintz wrote:
invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn.

You can try the invoker game (invoker game . com) (without space)
it helps practice your memorization of his spells and your finger agility to quickly change spells in the allotted time.


i dont think its too hard, the only spell that i had to actively memorize is ice wall since all the other spells get used so regularly that it wasn't hard for me to learn it.

the spells that are may take a few games to remember are meteor eew, tornado wwq, and alacrity wwe.

forge spirit, cold snap emp susntrike sonic blast gets used so often and are so easy to remember that it doesn't take any effort to memorize it.

edit: forgot to mention QQWalk =p

If you just watch alotta invoker streams or w/e you'll eventually get a feeling "oh shit, now I need to use alacrity, now forge spirits, cold snap now - wait I need tornado to escape etc".

Invoker can have tonse a influence with just forge spirits and cold snap + sunstrike, I learned invoker by just forcing myself into it and now I usually have ALOT of impact everygame, so it worked for me.

And I'd argue that that invokergame.com website is pretty to learning invoker to me, I basically got +50 % winrate with invoker without ever using Ice wall, alacrity and emp.
Now EMP is the only fucker I keep forgetting in the lategame, even if I usually play with aghs scepter and I have had plenty situations to use it.

But playing invoker is like learning a language, you don't have to know it all to speak it and you slowly expand your vocabulary.

Edit: I recommend watchng iceiceice stream if you wanna catch someone who often plays invoker on stream, I think he's the one who plays him the most often
In the woods, there lurks..
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 06:16:41
August 27 2013 06:15 GMT
#74230
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote:
When will we have a D2 Power Rank?

We do a Dota 2 power rank every month. For quite a while now too. We didn't do one for August though because of TI3.

Example from June http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416063
Administrator
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 27 2013 06:32 GMT
#74231
On August 27 2013 12:50 aintz wrote:
invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn.


You should play with HotBid's Invoker, it's awesome. About 70% of the time when he tries to make forged spirits he mis-invokes and randomly ice walls out of nowhere.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
August 27 2013 06:42 GMT
#74232
On August 27 2013 10:15 Defury wrote:
Has anyone started focusing on Dota more than Sc2 lately? Finding it more enjoyable? Not trying to start a which game is better debate just simply asking for Sc2 players experiences, wrist is getting sore and it's getting harder to play Sc2 so I might try and pick up Dota to focus on and play Sc2 casually.


I've switched completely from SC2 since I got the beta key.
I found there are more variation in Dota2 compared to strict 'meta' in SC2 and more relaxed timing (dont need to have x unit or y base on z minutes, etc)

On August 27 2013 10:50 AgentW wrote:
I just played SF for the first time and, wow, now I know why people say he's "all skill." The first ability is really hard to use.


it used to be easier when you can set range display 700. I hit a lot of on the edge raze during those days
Put quote here for readability
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
August 27 2013 06:52 GMT
#74233
On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote:
When will we have a D2 Power Rank?

Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that

lol.
I'm preeeeeeeeeeetty sure, that it'd be after teams
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
August 27 2013 06:55 GMT
#74234
On August 27 2013 15:42 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 10:15 Defury wrote:
Has anyone started focusing on Dota more than Sc2 lately? Finding it more enjoyable? Not trying to start a which game is better debate just simply asking for Sc2 players experiences, wrist is getting sore and it's getting harder to play Sc2 so I might try and pick up Dota to focus on and play Sc2 casually.


I've switched completely from SC2 since I got the beta key.
I found there are more variation in Dota2 compared to strict 'meta' in SC2 and more relaxed timing (dont need to have x unit or y base on z minutes, etc)

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 10:50 AgentW wrote:
I just played SF for the first time and, wow, now I know why people say he's "all skill." The first ability is really hard to use.


it used to be easier when you can set range display 700. I hit a lot of on the edge raze during those days


Max range pudge hooks and pro lone druid max range micro was also common when the range circle was still a thing.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 27 2013 06:58 GMT
#74235
On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote:
When will we have a D2 Power Rank?

Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that


Here's my top 5

+ Show Spoiler +
1. iceiceice
2. iceiceice
3. iceiceice
4. iceiceice
5. Mushi
ffxiv enjoyer
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 27 2013 07:06 GMT
#74236
On August 27 2013 15:58 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote:
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote:
When will we have a D2 Power Rank?

Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that


Here's my top 5

+ Show Spoiler +
1. iceiceice
2. iceiceice
3. iceiceice
4. iceiceice
5. Mushi

Singapore bias towards iceiceice I see
Administrator
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 27 2013 07:16 GMT
#74237
Power Ranks
1.iceiceice
2.Dendi
3.S4
4.LodA
5.Puppey
6.Liquid Fluff
7.FearDarkness
8.Merlini
9.Purge
10.Mushi
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 27 2013 07:18 GMT
#74238
On August 27 2013 16:16 Kuroeeah wrote:
Power Ranks
1.iceiceice
2.Dendi
3.S4
4.LodA
5.Puppey
6.Liquid Fluff
7.FearDarkness
8.Merlini
9.Purge
10.Mushi

Is it just me or do 3 of these feel really out of place
Administrator
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 27 2013 07:23 GMT
#74239
if player power ranks are ever done they should be sorted by role
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
August 27 2013 07:23 GMT
#74240
On August 27 2013 16:06 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 15:58 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote:
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote:
When will we have a D2 Power Rank?

Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that


Here's my top 5

+ Show Spoiler +
1. iceiceice
2. iceiceice
3. iceiceice
4. iceiceice
5. Mushi

Singapore bias towards iceiceice I see


What bias? That is a legit list.

My top 5 is similar but not exactly.

+ Show Spoiler +
1. iceiceice
2. iceiceice
3. mushi
4. mushi
5. yamateh
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