On August 27 2013 12:32 trinxified wrote:
I'd argue that learning Invoker is harder.
I'd argue that learning Invoker is harder.

7 years of dota and i've never played invoker lol
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
August 27 2013 03:47 GMT
#74221
On August 27 2013 12:32 trinxified wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2013 12:13 NB wrote: On August 27 2013 10:50 AgentW wrote: I just played SF for the first time and, wow, now I know why people say he's "all skill." The first ability is really hard to use. actually i could recommend people who has around 1000 hours into dota to learn the game with SF. You gota learn map control, learn skill shot and lastly: learn to last hit. SF is pretty much a well rounded hero that is very high rewarding for good plays and is a good hero to keep track of your personal improvement. But yeah if you are new SF is pretty hard >.>.... not as hard as meepo though ![]() I'd argue that learning Invoker is harder. ![]() 7 years of dota and i've never played invoker lol | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
August 27 2013 03:50 GMT
#74222
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vpatrickd
Indonesia279 Posts
August 27 2013 04:30 GMT
#74223
On August 27 2013 12:50 aintz wrote: invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn. You can try the invoker game (invoker game . com) (without space) it helps practice your memorization of his spells and your finger agility to quickly change spells in the allotted time. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
August 27 2013 04:45 GMT
#74224
On August 27 2013 12:32 trinxified wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2013 12:13 NB wrote: On August 27 2013 10:50 AgentW wrote: I just played SF for the first time and, wow, now I know why people say he's "all skill." The first ability is really hard to use. actually i could recommend people who has around 1000 hours into dota to learn the game with SF. You gota learn map control, learn skill shot and lastly: learn to last hit. SF is pretty much a well rounded hero that is very high rewarding for good plays and is a good hero to keep track of your personal improvement. But yeah if you are new SF is pretty hard >.>.... not as hard as meepo though ![]() I'd argue that learning Invoker is harder. ![]() compared to meepo or to SF? to SF, maybe but meepo? Invoker is definitely easier | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
August 27 2013 04:52 GMT
#74225
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
August 27 2013 05:09 GMT
#74226
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote: When will we have a D2 Power Rank? Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that | ||
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Tsutchie
Australia951 Posts
August 27 2013 05:53 GMT
#74227
On August 27 2013 13:30 vpatrickd wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2013 12:50 aintz wrote: invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn. You can try the invoker game (invoker game . com) (without space) it helps practice your memorization of his spells and your finger agility to quickly change spells in the allotted time. i dont think its too hard, the only spell that i had to actively memorize is ice wall since all the other spells get used so regularly that it wasn't hard for me to learn it. the spells that are may take a few games to remember are meteor eew, tornado wwq, and alacrity wwe. forge spirit, cold snap emp susntrike sonic blast gets used so often and are so easy to remember that it doesn't take any effort to memorize it. edit: forgot to mention QQWalk =p | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
August 27 2013 06:12 GMT
#74228
On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote: Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that D2 power ranks are by team | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
August 27 2013 06:12 GMT
#74229
On August 27 2013 14:53 Tsutchie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2013 13:30 vpatrickd wrote: On August 27 2013 12:50 aintz wrote: invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn. You can try the invoker game (invoker game . com) (without space) it helps practice your memorization of his spells and your finger agility to quickly change spells in the allotted time. i dont think its too hard, the only spell that i had to actively memorize is ice wall since all the other spells get used so regularly that it wasn't hard for me to learn it. the spells that are may take a few games to remember are meteor eew, tornado wwq, and alacrity wwe. forge spirit, cold snap emp susntrike sonic blast gets used so often and are so easy to remember that it doesn't take any effort to memorize it. edit: forgot to mention QQWalk =p If you just watch alotta invoker streams or w/e you'll eventually get a feeling "oh shit, now I need to use alacrity, now forge spirits, cold snap now - wait I need tornado to escape etc". Invoker can have tonse a influence with just forge spirits and cold snap + sunstrike, I learned invoker by just forcing myself into it and now I usually have ALOT of impact everygame, so it worked for me. And I'd argue that that invokergame.com website is pretty to learning invoker to me, I basically got +50 % winrate with invoker without ever using Ice wall, alacrity and emp. Now EMP is the only fucker I keep forgetting in the lategame, even if I usually play with aghs scepter and I have had plenty situations to use it. But playing invoker is like learning a language, you don't have to know it all to speak it and you slowly expand your vocabulary. Edit: I recommend watchng iceiceice stream if you wanna catch someone who often plays invoker on stream, I think he's the one who plays him the most often | ||
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TheEmulator
28103 Posts
August 27 2013 06:15 GMT
#74230
On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote: When will we have a D2 Power Rank? We do a Dota 2 power rank every month. For quite a while now too. We didn't do one for August though because of TI3. Example from June http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416063 | ||
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
August 27 2013 06:32 GMT
#74231
On August 27 2013 12:50 aintz wrote: invoker is the only hero i cant play in dota2. i mean i could play him in mid and win against most players by coldsnaping and sunstriking but beyond those 2 spells... hes like the only hero you have to sit down and memorize stuff to learn. You should play with HotBid's Invoker, it's awesome. About 70% of the time when he tries to make forged spirits he mis-invokes and randomly ice walls out of nowhere. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
August 27 2013 06:42 GMT
#74232
On August 27 2013 10:15 Defury wrote: Has anyone started focusing on Dota more than Sc2 lately? Finding it more enjoyable? Not trying to start a which game is better debate just simply asking for Sc2 players experiences, wrist is getting sore and it's getting harder to play Sc2 so I might try and pick up Dota to focus on and play Sc2 casually. I've switched completely from SC2 since I got the beta key. I found there are more variation in Dota2 compared to strict 'meta' in SC2 and more relaxed timing (dont need to have x unit or y base on z minutes, etc) On August 27 2013 10:50 AgentW wrote: I just played SF for the first time and, wow, now I know why people say he's "all skill." The first ability is really hard to use. it used to be easier when you can set range display 700. I hit a lot of on the edge raze during those days ![]() | ||
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Testuser
6469 Posts
August 27 2013 06:52 GMT
#74233
On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote: Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that lol. I'm preeeeeeeeeeetty sure, that it'd be after teams ![]() | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
August 27 2013 06:55 GMT
#74234
On August 27 2013 15:42 sandyph wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2013 10:15 Defury wrote: Has anyone started focusing on Dota more than Sc2 lately? Finding it more enjoyable? Not trying to start a which game is better debate just simply asking for Sc2 players experiences, wrist is getting sore and it's getting harder to play Sc2 so I might try and pick up Dota to focus on and play Sc2 casually. I've switched completely from SC2 since I got the beta key. I found there are more variation in Dota2 compared to strict 'meta' in SC2 and more relaxed timing (dont need to have x unit or y base on z minutes, etc) Show nested quote + On August 27 2013 10:50 AgentW wrote: I just played SF for the first time and, wow, now I know why people say he's "all skill." The first ability is really hard to use. it used to be easier when you can set range display 700. I hit a lot of on the edge raze during those days ![]() Max range pudge hooks and pro lone druid max range micro was also common when the range circle was still a thing. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
August 27 2013 06:58 GMT
#74235
On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote: Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that Here's my top 5 + Show Spoiler + 1. iceiceice 2. iceiceice 3. iceiceice 4. iceiceice 5. Mushi | ||
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TheEmulator
28103 Posts
August 27 2013 07:06 GMT
#74236
On August 27 2013 15:58 DoNotDisturb wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote: On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote: When will we have a D2 Power Rank? Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that Here's my top 5 + Show Spoiler + 1. iceiceice 2. iceiceice 3. iceiceice 4. iceiceice 5. Mushi Singapore bias towards iceiceice I see ![]() | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
August 27 2013 07:16 GMT
#74237
1.iceiceice 2.Dendi 3.S4 4.LodA 5.Puppey 6.Liquid Fluff 7.FearDarkness 8.Merlini 9.Purge 10.Mushi | ||
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TheEmulator
28103 Posts
August 27 2013 07:18 GMT
#74238
On August 27 2013 16:16 Kuroeeah wrote: Power Ranks 1.iceiceice 2.Dendi 3.S4 4.LodA 5.Puppey 6.Liquid Fluff 7.FearDarkness 8.Merlini 9.Purge 10.Mushi Is it just me or do 3 of these feel really out of place ![]() | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
August 27 2013 07:23 GMT
#74239
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
August 27 2013 07:23 GMT
#74240
On August 27 2013 16:06 TheEmulator wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2013 15:58 DoNotDisturb wrote: On August 27 2013 14:09 Zeo wrote: On August 27 2013 13:52 mnesthes wrote: When will we have a D2 Power Rank? Player power ranks? Would not want to be the guy that deals with the shitstorm after that Here's my top 5 + Show Spoiler + 1. iceiceice 2. iceiceice 3. iceiceice 4. iceiceice 5. Mushi Singapore bias towards iceiceice I see ![]() What bias? That is a legit list. My top 5 is similar but not exactly. + Show Spoiler + 1. iceiceice 2. iceiceice 3. mushi 4. mushi 5. yamateh | ||
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