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Lovely So Handsome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States197 Posts
August 25 2013 17:05 GMT
#73881
Mana sniper for the slow siege. Shrapnel + ult spamming. Eul could even be slightly argued as good on him as the ms and disable help his poor escape ability.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 17:06:33
August 25 2013 17:06 GMT
#73882
Shadow blade, orchid, e-blade and dagon sniper.
Pick off anyone without a bkb.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 17:09:39
August 25 2013 17:08 GMT
#73883
On August 26 2013 02:02 Unleashing wrote:
Yes.
It's pretty pronounced like: uh-bad-n

Strictly speaking the incorrect pronunciation ("a-buh-don") corresponds well with how people incorrectly think it's spelled "Abbadon" with 2 b's.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 17:14:48
August 25 2013 17:14 GMT
#73884
I also used to spell it Abbadon, trying to get used to spelling it Abaddon though. Old habits die hard.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
August 25 2013 17:15 GMT
#73885
Never won a game that I jungled with a hero that isn't Batrider.
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 25 2013 17:19 GMT
#73886
On August 26 2013 02:15 ChunderBoy wrote:
Never won a game that I jungled with a hero that isn't Batrider.

Jungle chen and jungle enigma are strong, mek and all ennemies T1 down before min 10.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 17:23:55
August 25 2013 17:23 GMT
#73887
On August 26 2013 02:19 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:15 ChunderBoy wrote:
Never won a game that I jungled with a hero that isn't Batrider.

Jungle chen and jungle enigma are strong, mek and all ennemies T1 down before min 10.

Those heroes are too hard to play correctly, they depend a lot on having good teammates that you can trust.
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
Daaktard
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden380 Posts
August 25 2013 17:26 GMT
#73888
On August 26 2013 02:23 ChunderBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:19 nojok wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:15 ChunderBoy wrote:
Never won a game that I jungled with a hero that isn't Batrider.

Jungle chen and jungle enigma are strong, mek and all ennemies T1 down before min 10.

Those heroes are too hard to play correctly, they depend a lot on having good teammates that you can trust.


Enigma isn't too "hard". I suck at micro, but can manage a decent enigma. It also helps that he farms really fast. The problem with him is actually utilizing him correctly in pubs as you mention.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 25 2013 17:28 GMT
#73889
DS is probably the most effective "easy" jungler, it's just that there's not a whole lot of reason to put him in the jungle when he crushes pub lanes so hard.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 25 2013 17:32 GMT
#73890
Jungle Furion is still pretty effective and not that dependant on your teammates.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
August 25 2013 17:37 GMT
#73891
Jungle Doom. just don't come out of jungle except to doom and pop a lvl?death on some unexpecting pleb every few minutes, then emerge with midas necro 3 and vlads. proceed to carry hard.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 25 2013 17:40 GMT
#73892
On August 26 2013 02:37 Nocticate wrote:
Jungle Doom. just don't come out of jungle except to doom and pop a lvl?death on some unexpecting pleb every few minutes, then emerge with midas necro 3 and vlads. proceed to carry hard.

Jungle Doom jungles really slowly if you get bad camp luck.
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Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
August 25 2013 17:44 GMT
#73893
On August 26 2013 02:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:37 Nocticate wrote:
Jungle Doom. just don't come out of jungle except to doom and pop a lvl?death on some unexpecting pleb every few minutes, then emerge with midas necro 3 and vlads. proceed to carry hard.

Jungle Doom jungles really slowly if you get bad camp luck.

nah just gotta be flexible. dark troll summoner, wildwing rapper, or alpha wolf are all good creeps. obviously getting wildwing rapper is best but there are a lot of good creeps he can get. even with alpha wolf he can go fine on mud golems.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 25 2013 17:44 GMT
#73894
On August 25 2013 23:09 PassiveAce wrote:
your winrate is whatever we want it to be

I want it to be 100%, so your theory must be broken because I am not 100%
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EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
August 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#73895
On August 26 2013 02:44 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:40 TheYango wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:37 Nocticate wrote:
Jungle Doom. just don't come out of jungle except to doom and pop a lvl?death on some unexpecting pleb every few minutes, then emerge with midas necro 3 and vlads. proceed to carry hard.

Jungle Doom jungles really slowly if you get bad camp luck.

nah just gotta be flexible. dark troll summoner, wildwing rapper, or alpha wolf are all good creeps. obviously getting wildwing rapper is best but there are a lot of good creeps he can get. even with alpha wolf he can go fine on mud golems.


You'll mostly be clearing easy+hard camps. The best big creep is the big satyr, while a big ursa camp is really bothersome. Medium camps can be alright but alpha wolves are a pain in the ass to clear and you'll most likely not want to use devour on such a small creep.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
August 25 2013 17:58 GMT
#73896
On August 26 2013 02:48 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:44 Nocticate wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:40 TheYango wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:37 Nocticate wrote:
Jungle Doom. just don't come out of jungle except to doom and pop a lvl?death on some unexpecting pleb every few minutes, then emerge with midas necro 3 and vlads. proceed to carry hard.

Jungle Doom jungles really slowly if you get bad camp luck.

nah just gotta be flexible. dark troll summoner, wildwing rapper, or alpha wolf are all good creeps. obviously getting wildwing rapper is best but there are a lot of good creeps he can get. even with alpha wolf he can go fine on mud golems.


You'll mostly be clearing easy+hard camps. The best big creep is the big satyr, while a big ursa camp is really bothersome. Medium camps can be alright but alpha wolves are a pain in the ass to clear and you'll most likely not want to use devour on such a small creep.

yeah, ursas are a pain. I just devour the small one and go away until I absolutely have to clear the camp.
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hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
August 25 2013 18:02 GMT
#73897
I like Axe as a jungler. Battlehunger is a hell of a ganking tool early game, and people never expect you to gank (at least in my level)

I like him more than Enigma because Enigma feels useless as fuck after 15 minutes (yeah yeah blackhole bla bla it requires too much farm and execution, Axe can be way more active with simply a blink dagger)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 18:20:02
August 25 2013 18:16 GMT
#73898
Enigma is more useful after 15 minutes, but Axe can get a far better ganking tempo early.

The only problem with Axe jungle for me is that 2 in every 25 games my first medium camp stack is Centaurs+Wolves and I want to crack my keyboard in half.

On August 26 2013 02:48 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 02:44 Nocticate wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:40 TheYango wrote:
On August 26 2013 02:37 Nocticate wrote:
Jungle Doom. just don't come out of jungle except to doom and pop a lvl?death on some unexpecting pleb every few minutes, then emerge with midas necro 3 and vlads. proceed to carry hard.

Jungle Doom jungles really slowly if you get bad camp luck.

nah just gotta be flexible. dark troll summoner, wildwing rapper, or alpha wolf are all good creeps. obviously getting wildwing rapper is best but there are a lot of good creeps he can get. even with alpha wolf he can go fine on mud golems.


You'll mostly be clearing easy+hard camps. The best big creep is the big satyr, while a big ursa camp is really bothersome. Medium camps can be alright but alpha wolves are a pain in the ass to clear and you'll most likely not want to use devour on such a small creep.

That's the thing, if you get a camp warded and have to do Hard+Medium or Easy+Medium, your jungle efficiency plummets.

The legitimately "good" junglers are all very resilient to disruption. The ones that pubs love but are actually not stable are stuff like Doom and Lifestealer that jungle fine when totally uninterrupted but actually fall apart very quickly if the enemy puts some amount of effort into stopping you.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
August 25 2013 18:21 GMT
#73899
I feel like if you get unlucky with camps and the small/easy camp is blocked, ur fucked. Everytime i play axe, someone blocks the easy camp and other camps are either centaurs or/and ursas..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 18:23:58
August 25 2013 18:22 GMT
#73900
On August 26 2013 03:21 Grettin wrote:
I feel like if you get unlucky with camps and the small/easy camp is blocked, ur fucked. Everytime i play axe, someone blocks the easy camp and other camps are either centaurs or/and ursas..

Stacked medium camp is doable level 1 unless it's Centaur + Wolves, hence my comment about 2/25 games. You'll use up all your regen to hit level 3, but you'll have Boots and enough HP to gank so at that point, you can reasonably just get a gank to hopefully slingshot you into your Tranquil Boots.
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