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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
August 23 2013 20:17 GMT
#73601
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Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 23 2013 20:18 GMT
#73602
Like 300MB
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 23 2013 20:31 GMT
#73603
Can anyone help me out on how to decide whether to get Phase Boots or Power Treads?

I know it's different per hero, but I have a hard time deciding which one is better, DPS wise at least.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:33:55
August 23 2013 20:32 GMT
#73604
On August 24 2013 05:31 trinxified wrote:
Can anyone help me out on how to decide whether to get Phase Boots or Power Treads?

I know it's different per hero, but I have a hard time deciding which one is better, DPS wise at least.


No. You have to decide in the game depending on matchup and hero. There is no one correct item for anything. Its like asking whats best of Blink and Monkey King Bar. They do different things.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:35:50
August 23 2013 20:33 GMT
#73605
Depends on your attacks speed, damage, if the hero is agility and other modifiers like crit.

But generally I would say that in the first 10-20 minutes phase offer more DPS-
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:37:39
August 23 2013 20:36 GMT
#73606
In most cases, Power Treads will be better for raw DPS. Your DPS is determined by the product of your attack speed and damage, and typically heroes end up somewhat more damage-heavy than attack speed-heavy, though this varies from hero to hero (Strength carries on the whole being more damage heavy because their prime stat gives them damage but not attack speed).

Phase Boots tends to be better in those cases where either you cannot get enough attacks in to make your attack speed practical all the time anyway (e.g. BH), where you specifically require the mobility (e.g. Juggernaut), or where you have an enormous source of attack speed that therefore favors having raw damage (e.g. PA).
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:39:42
August 23 2013 20:38 GMT
#73607
Yeah, generally I decide on Phase vs Treads by the mobility vs mana/tankiness tradeoff. Heroes like QoP don't need the mobility of phase but do need the extra mana and tankiness tread-toggling provides.

Carries like sven don't really need help chasing their target (inbuilt speed buff plus stun) but do need mana/HP. Also Gods strength scales base dmg which strength is, making treads always more damage than phase on sven I think.

Carries like spectre, while she has an attack modifier that makes attack speed scale really well, I like phase on her just so that she can chase even better in fights since otherwise she is decently kiteable.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
August 23 2013 20:40 GMT
#73608
try phase boots, they are amazing
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 23 2013 20:41 GMT
#73609
On August 24 2013 05:32 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 05:31 trinxified wrote:
Can anyone help me out on how to decide whether to get Phase Boots or Power Treads?

I know it's different per hero, but I have a hard time deciding which one is better, DPS wise at least.


No. You have to decide in the game depending on matchup and hero. There is no one correct item for anything. Its like asking whats best of Blink and Monkey King Bar. They do different things.


Well yeah I get that, but your comparison is definitely not the same as what I brought up.

Phase vs. Treads is not the same as Blink vs. MKB.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
August 23 2013 20:43 GMT
#73610
More comparable items would be Buriza vs MKB.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 23 2013 20:48 GMT
#73611
On August 24 2013 05:43 Unleashing wrote:
More comparable items would be Buriza vs MKB.

Okay but thats buriza always unless they have evasion or your hero doesn't interact well with crits (Already have OR are medusa/gyro).

Phase/Treads is a much harder decision imo.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
August 23 2013 20:54 GMT
#73612
On August 24 2013 05:41 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 05:32 Excludos wrote:
On August 24 2013 05:31 trinxified wrote:
Can anyone help me out on how to decide whether to get Phase Boots or Power Treads?

I know it's different per hero, but I have a hard time deciding which one is better, DPS wise at least.


No. You have to decide in the game depending on matchup and hero. There is no one correct item for anything. Its like asking whats best of Blink and Monkey King Bar. They do different things.


Well yeah I get that, but your comparison is definitely not the same as what I brought up.

Phase vs. Treads is not the same as Blink vs. MKB.


You missed my point completely. I literally straight out said you can't decide before the game starts which one you buy. Just like you can't decide before the game starts whether you're going to buy blink or MKB. It depends on the hero and situation.

I could help you buy going "if you're unsure buy threads" or something like that, but honestly it just further helps you not to think on your own. And thats 50% of the skills required in this game.
Ryrmidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada371 Posts
August 23 2013 21:33 GMT
#73613
Wat boots are most typical on Nightstalker, and in general what kind of items do you build on him? so far I've been going bottle / wand --> phase / tread --> armlet / BKB / basher
"He can't beat me in a real game" IdrA
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 23 2013 21:35 GMT
#73614
On August 24 2013 04:53 Alur wrote:
Played vs my 2 friends in a matchmaking game, afterwards I teamed up with one of them for more MM, we go on to play vs another friend of mine and his stack... small world.

lol, that's awesome. One time two of the stacks that I play with most queued against each other. TLMS guys vs TL staff guys,epic showdown.
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Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
August 23 2013 21:39 GMT
#73615
On August 24 2013 06:33 Ryrmidon wrote:
Wat boots are most typical on Nightstalker, and in general what kind of items do you build on him? so far I've been going bottle / wand --> phase / tread --> armlet / BKB / basher



You can buy anything on nightstalker. He's good as long as he has brown boots, bottle, and levels over everyone else.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 23 2013 21:44 GMT
#73616
Urn is unbelievably amazing on Nightstalker. A must-buy on him for me every game.

PS is patch live or wat?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 23 2013 21:47 GMT
#73617
On August 24 2013 06:39 Daozzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 06:33 Ryrmidon wrote:
Wat boots are most typical on Nightstalker, and in general what kind of items do you build on him? so far I've been going bottle / wand --> phase / tread --> armlet / BKB / basher



You can buy anything on nightstalker. He's good as long as he has brown boots, bottle, and levels over everyone else.

Pretty much this. There's a lot of variation to Night Stalker. You just have to try a lot of different things and recognize when certain items are appropriate through experience.
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RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
August 23 2013 21:54 GMT
#73618
You always get phase boots so you can build the dreaded SingSing TM phase MoM Shadowblade trifecta.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
August 23 2013 22:05 GMT
#73619
While treads are still a good choice on NS, I generally prefer phase boots simply because the phase effect helps immensely when chasing through creep waves etc, plus you don't really need the attack speed at night anyway.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 23 2013 22:08 GMT
#73620
On August 24 2013 07:05 Firebolt145 wrote:
While treads are still a good choice on NS, I generally prefer phase boots simply because the phase effect helps immensely when chasing through creep waves etc, plus you don't really need the attack speed at night anyway.


But more HP yo!!!

I really wish Phase and Treads are able to be disassembled like the other boots other than Travels... makes it easier choice throught the game stages.
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