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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
August 22 2013 21:58 GMT
#73381
those heroes in pubs arent even that scary since most ppl dont play them properly. but then again if you solo q your teammates might not know how to deal with that. so many ppl still die to escapable wisp relocate ganks because they dont watch the minimap.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 22:02:00
August 22 2013 21:58 GMT
#73382
That lineup is very beatable in pubs because it's quite lopsided. No real counter-push and no burst damage/counter-initiating ability. It's great for catching people (which is generally a good thing in pubs) but there are a lot of lineups you can do that with even without "tryhard" picks.

On August 23 2013 06:58 aintz wrote:
those heroes in pubs arent even that scary since most ppl dont play them properly. but then again if you solo q your teammates might not know how to deal with that. so many ppl still die to escapable wisp relocate ganks because they dont watch the minimap.

I mean if it's just how that team can catch people out easily, most pub Slark/SB/whatever random pub hero lineups do that as well.

As a lineup that's just a hodgepodge of "high-value" picks but not a good teamcomp.

EDIT: TBH the way this version works out a lot of the higher-priority heroes end up being picks that need to be supported/built around so you're actually going to be a lot less effective picking them haphazardly in pubs. It's nothing like before/during TI2 where pretty much anyone could pick a bunch of Naga/Tide/DS/etc. heroes and have a somewhat coherent lineup.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 22 2013 22:00 GMT
#73383
On August 23 2013 06:58 aintz wrote:
those heroes in pubs arent even that scary since most ppl dont play them properly. but then again if you solo q your teammates might not know how to deal with that. so many ppl still die to escapable wisp relocate ganks because they dont watch the minimap.


On August 23 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote:
That lineup is very beatable in pubs because it's quite lopsided. No real counter-push and no burst damage/counter-initiating ability. It's great for catching people (which is generally a good thing in pubs) but there are a lot of lineups you can do that with even without "tryhard" picks.



Yeah not that good when you think about it competitively or theorycraft, but in pubs, it's hard to play against it because not much coordination.

Bottom line is, it's easier to execute that lineup than to defend against it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 22:03:33
August 22 2013 22:03 GMT
#73384
Again, though, when it comes to pubs the lineup isn't more effective than a mix of your run of the mill pub heroes like Slark/SB/Huskar who are also good at catching people out.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 22 2013 22:04 GMT
#73385
Screw DotA, get hats. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1kw76o/fantasy_rewards/ Some leaks on the fantasy challenge rewards. I had 802.9 in the end, hoping the prophet's bounty reward is 800+ :S
super gg
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
August 22 2013 22:06 GMT
#73386
On August 23 2013 07:04 cecek wrote:
Screw DotA, get hats. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1kw76o/fantasy_rewards/ Some leaks on the fantasy challenge rewards. I had 802.9 in the end, hoping the prophet's bounty reward is 800+ :S


800 would make me salty, I forgot to change players a couple of days midway through and ended up just under as a result =(
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 22 2013 22:06 GMT
#73387
It's too hard to beat a lineup like that. Most often you'd have to stall it out until late game so your carry(ies) can fight them off. But like I said, it's highly unlikely that 5 solo queuers can coordinate enough to do that. 5 randoms can play those heroes easier than to defend it period.

Well maybe it helps if I said what my team composition was... I was Storm, and the rest were Rubick, WD, Weaver, Morph. Weaver went mid (since I knew OD was going there). I did offlane, Morph, WD, Rubick sorta tri-laned.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 22 2013 22:21 GMT
#73388
Is wisp really a common pick in soloqueue pubs? I hesitate to believe that.
super gg
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
August 22 2013 22:26 GMT
#73389
why would your team send you a storm to the offlane instead of aggressive tri vs ck wisp? morph wd rubick would crush ck wisp easily.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
August 22 2013 22:27 GMT
#73390
On August 23 2013 06:38 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 06:34 trinxified wrote:
Lol why do people in AP - solo queue pick these heroes in one team...

CK, Wisp, Bat, DS, OD... it seems like they haven't won a game in a while and must ensure the win by picking like that.

OD mids, CK + Wisp safelane, Bat jungles, DS offlanes.

i find that usually when people pick insane ti3 super try hard line-ups they are generally worse players. They feel they have to pick these line-ups to have a chance to win and more often than not, still lose.

The way the mmr works (assuming they regularly pick "tryhard" lineups) it is self evident that they are going to in general have less individual skill in a given match. Everyone is pushed towards 50% winrate so if this stack consequently picks better lineups than the opposition then they will starting facing better players until a balance is reached between superior picks/strategy on one hand and individual skill on the other.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 22:44:18
August 22 2013 22:43 GMT
#73391
[image loading]

lol at that so cute.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Ninja spec!!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 22 2013 22:55 GMT
#73392
hu that spectre set looks pretty sick
steve ples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 22 2013 22:59 GMT
#73393
stop abusing steve pls!
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
August 22 2013 23:06 GMT
#73394
On August 23 2013 07:04 cecek wrote:
Screw DotA, get hats. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1kw76o/fantasy_rewards/ Some leaks on the fantasy challenge rewards. I had 802.9 in the end, hoping the prophet's bounty reward is 800+ :S

If the lowest one requires you to have below 200 points it might actually be the rarest one.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 22 2013 23:19 GMT
#73395
I never filled out that compendium stuff.
#INITFORTHEESPORTS
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 23:21:43
August 22 2013 23:21 GMT
#73396
On August 23 2013 07:43 BurningSera wrote:
[image loading]

lol at that so cute.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Ninja spec!!

He is so good. He floats around on a weenie balloon when he flies. Its pretty great. I just want him to get the sausage when we win the match, other wise it is sad.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 23:27:56
August 22 2013 23:24 GMT
#73397
Looks like matchmaking has been disabled again. Completely random matchups. Sing is vs a QoP with 12 tangoes and 4 clarities that tanks towers.

Nevermind me. Just intentional MMR tanking. Really lame way to do it tbh.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
August 22 2013 23:26 GMT
#73398
I hope this fantasy rewards are bad items.
I had 2 teams with 855-817. (I should have picked alliance at the last day of fantasy league. I picked Navi.)

Btw. Damn you black... I trusted you.
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 22 2013 23:43 GMT
#73399
On August 23 2013 08:06 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:04 cecek wrote:
Screw DotA, get hats. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1kw76o/fantasy_rewards/ Some leaks on the fantasy challenge rewards. I had 802.9 in the end, hoping the prophet's bounty reward is 800+ :S

If the lowest one requires you to have below 200 points it might actually be the rarest one.


Ideally it gives you all the rewards and not just the highest one.

On August 23 2013 06:45 Kuroeeah wrote:
actually honestly every game i play has a pudge picker now rofl


Isn't pudge the most picked hero? This shouldn't surprise you at all.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 22 2013 23:48 GMT
#73400
I just hope it's not some "sits in your inventory and does nothing" item, like the bloodstone for example.
super gg
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