EPTAmerican teams might get more viewers but it also costs a lot less to convince them to come.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
American teams might get more viewers but it also costs a lot less to convince them to come. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
But even if not, I don't think Alliance/Na'Vi/Fnatic would have any problems getting there. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 20 2013 07:59 teapoted wrote: I think 3 american teams + Alliance or Na'Vi (especially Na'Vi) would equal Dreamhack numbers. Considering of course that it is after TI and viewership is expected to go up slightly from new players. It's Florida so the time-zone won't be completely terrible. You scathe my hyperbole and then say that I claimed it would be an outright failure if they did it? I never said anything like that. It's pretty clear what I meant but I clarified anyway. Your clarification came after the post I quoted, and it's obvious your original statement wasn't clear, else you wouldn't have so many people arguing about it. Either way, I'm not sure why you think this small invitational should have the same weight as established tournaments in the scene, MLG is testing the waters to see what they will do in the future. If they do organize a big tournament/circuit, it won't be the first one. There are plenty of smaller EU events this could be compared to. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:06 teapoted wrote: I wouldn't put it past MLG to pay partly for flights if they want the teams, it wouldn't be the first time. But even if not, I don't think Alliance/Na'Vi/Fnatic would have any problems getting there. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't though. Specifically Alliance and Na'Vi. That story line is done for a while and they might pull in the numbers for one event, but they will crush every other team there. MLG already learned the hard way that it is a good way to kill off all the local teams and players. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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HOMEMdoGAS
Portugal1418 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:08 Plansix wrote: I also think it is better for MLG to support NA teams, rather than just pull in Alliance and Na'Vi. It would be fun, but after the international, those teams don't need to play again. If MLG has learned anything from SC2, they will be reluctant to pull in the big names to smash the local teams and players. It just leaves you with a dead local scene and forces you to keep pulling in teams from over seas, which costs money. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't though. Specifically Alliance and Na'Vi. That story line is done for a while and they might pull in the numbers for one event, but they will crush every other team there. MLG already learned the hard way that it is a good way to kill off all the local teams and players. its better if MLG supports Na'Vi(for mlg of course). I dont know if u realised this but twitch' dota2 numbers grow exponentially specially during a navi game | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:10 PrinceXizor wrote: TBH i couldn't name any of the last few starladder winners. Those LANs are entirely forgettable. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:10 PrinceXizor wrote: Alliance, Alliance, Na'Vi, Na'vi, Na'vi... etc..TBH i couldn't name any of the last few starladder winners. Those LANs are entirely forgettable. so to me (and many others) starladder holds no prestiege Either way I disagree, StarLadder is always an amazing event. I'd say consistently so more than DH. It's always an interesting fight to see who gets to the Lan final. in the online tournament. To me StarLadder is a perfect part in the Dota scene. It isn't the biggest most amazing thing. But it is so consistent and frequent it to me holds a lot of prestige. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:13 TheYango wrote: In this case, the last 6 Starladders are Alliance/NTH twice, and Na'Vi 4 times. All the more reason to leave them in EU and give some glory to NA teams. You can't grow if we just invite the big dogs over to kick your ass every time. | ||
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HOMEMdoGAS
Portugal1418 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:15 Plansix wrote: All the more reason to leave them in EU and give some glory to NA teams. You can't grow if we just invite the big dogs over to kick your ass every time. why would they do that? if u get a tournament with nothing but NA teams, the numbers will make it so MLG never thinks about running dota again | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:15 Plansix wrote: NA teams aren't as bad as NA SC2 players. NA teams can certainly hold their own against EU teams, I don't see it hurting the growth of NA Dota if you keep on inviting EU teams. All the more reason to leave them in EU and give some glory to NA teams. You can't grow if we just invite the big dogs over to kick your ass every time. I think it's more important that it's a successful tournament financially, so they can get more teams, and then more teams means more American amateur teams will join. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:17 HOMEMdoGAS wrote: why would they do that? if u get a tournament with nothing but NA teams, the numbers will make it so MLG never thinks about running dota again And if you have alliance over here with Na'Vi, you need to have them over every time or people will complain that "the last one was better, higher level teams". I have seen this before. I know how the story ends. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:17 HOMEMdoGAS wrote: why would they do that? if u get a tournament with nothing but NA teams, the numbers will make it so MLG never thinks about running dota again Well Plansix is right that MLG probably learned their lesson that the event has to sustain itself on local competition. If you're bringing Koreans every time, then you have to KEEP bringing them ever after because the local competition fails to develop. | ||
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HOMEMdoGAS
Portugal1418 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:19 Plansix wrote: And if you have alliance over here with Na'Vi, you need to have them over every time or people will complain that "the last one was better, higher level teams". I have seen this before. I know how the story ends. how is that bad? having the best european teams is what would guarantee sucessful tournaments and would guarantee future ones. i dont get this "they need to support the na scene" movement, its certainly not an exclusive na tournament who does that. The last one who did that was the ADL and it got very small numbers compared to every other tournamnet | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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HOMEMdoGAS
Portugal1418 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:20 TheYango wrote: Well Plansix is right that MLG probably learned their lesson that the event has to sustain itself on local competition. If you're bringing Koreans every time, then you have to KEEP bringing them ever after because the local competition fails to develop. the thing is a dota lan event with all the top teams can pull a lot more viewers than sc2 | ||
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murs
United States6 Posts
no alliance no problem since alliance are the champs and navis in turmoil i don't see mlg asking navi to come though hope they get a good showing with something like alliance dignitas eg liquid | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:20 TheYango wrote: Well Plansix is right that MLG probably learned their lesson that the event has to sustain itself on local competition. If you're bringing Koreans every time, then you have to KEEP bringing them ever after because the local competition fails to develop. Koreans is not the same though, I think people while they will want to cheer for Americans but won't mind cheering for Europeans. Bluntly said, as long as they are white its fine. While Americans would be preferable I don't think they'd mind Europeans. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:22 HOMEMdoGAS wrote: how is that bad? having the best european teams is what would guarantee sucessful tournaments and would guarantee future ones. i dont get this "they need to support the na scene" movement, its certainly not an exclusive na tournament who does that. The last one who did that was the ADL and it got very small numbers compared to every other tournamnet Because the cost of bringing foreign teams over is high. You have to have much higher incentive for them to come. If the tournament is not sustainable on local viewership and MLG has to keep paying to bring foreign teams, then MLG is going to start asking the question "Why are we running these if we can't get viewers unless we spend this money to bring foreign teams?" This is a lesson that incidentally Riot learned very well at the inception of LCS. If you isolate events to local competition, then you get viewers invested in the storylines and personalities of their local teams, which means that in the long run, you retain a lot of viewers who wouldn't care if foreign teams were in all their local events. Every team in NA LCS is trash compared to the Korean teams in OGN but they only have to show this once a year, so NA LCS still pulls fantastic stream numbers because even those trash teams have lots of fans from building up player personalities and storylines over 2 seasons of LCS. Bringing foreign teams bolsters the viewership of an individual tournament in the short term, but because you're not getting new viewership and just trying to leech the viewership off those teams' home countries, you're not guaranteeing long term sustainability. In particular, you're not garnering NEW viewership because most of the people interested in watching the best teams were already watching the game--and local teams tend to be easier for new viewers to associate with. | ||
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