General Discussion - Page 3586

On August 14 2013 23:57 cecek wrote:

Fatal Bonds + Chilling touch + politely asking your opponents to stand still while you rightclick them! Unbeatable trilane combo.

On August 15 2013 00:00 Mataza wrote:
Worst thing is the downfall of Lycanthrope.
He is at the weird spot where he spikes hard before 30 minutes and falls down afterwards, but he is completely useless on lane.
Wolves need armor after all.

On August 15 2013 00:00 Mataza wrote:
Worst thing is the downfall of Lycanthrope.
He is at the weird spot where he spikes hard before 30 minutes and falls down afterwards, but he is completely useless on lane.
Wolves need armor after all.

On August 15 2013 00:11 Klonere wrote:


no im going to make a hugely controversial statement and say that invoker is a worse loss to competitive dota than lycan

On August 14 2013 23:37 Comeh wrote:

Not to mention he is a bit awkward to farm around as a core, and well, diffusal blade.

On August 15 2013 00:16 PrinceXizor wrote:

stating diffusal blade as a reason not to go warlock is inane. Losing half of your golems for 10 minutes isn't really an issue. and its something they had to spend thousands on.

On August 15 2013 00:14 Sn0_Man wrote:

Maybe, but by and large invoker is just another teamfight hero that likely wouldn't really "enrich" competitive doto.

On August 15 2013 00:26 Comeh wrote:

It's not like diffusal blade is a sole purpose item - Na'Vi often used to draft juggernaut or PL against a warlock pick and get a diffusal blade earlier. I mean, you are talking about a hero where 90% of the hero is his ultimate that has a long cool down being INSTANTLY killed by one charge of an item that can continue to be used throughout the fight.

It's not that insane.

On August 15 2013 00:27 Kipsate wrote:
Warlock has quite a few problems but one of the biggest ones right now is simple

he doesn't handle splitpush.

On August 15 2013 00:32 akatama wrote:
Invoker needs a tad more base dmg (and lower the +dmg on Exort orbs in return so he would have the same dmg as now with 3x lvl 1 Exort) and a way to make EMP not completely nullified by Arcane Boots (think AA ult but for mana instead).

On August 15 2013 00:29 PrinceXizor wrote:

Its also not very strong or efficient to be using diffusal on a single golem. saving the charges for that puts you in shit situations, makes you adverse to upgrading the diffusal immediately, weakening your fighting overall by a quite a bit, and ceases to be useful after 10 minutes, or aghanims/refresher on warlock.

and warlock isn't 90% golem, that's just ignorance about how effective fatal bonds truly is as well as the stun initiate and about his overall damage from his autos.


yeah and diffusal blade is probably one of the single most minor issues with warlock. thats like saying HOTD makes chen useless so teams shouldn't play chen. :/

On August 15 2013 00:41 Comeh wrote:

If you are using diffusal blade on warlock, you are literally removing 75% of his effectiveness in fights, and likely are going to win that fight. Winning the fight puts you further ahead in the game, and gives you more map control, and generally makes warlock less effective as a whole (less likely to find the room to farm an aghs / refresher anyways). Essentially, if you don't do a lot with your first 2-3 golems, chances are you aren't going to win the game.

I'm not saying I would build a diffusal on any carry if I saw a warlock, but I'd be more inclined to draft a hero where diffusal is situational if I saw a warlock pick.

On August 15 2013 00:27 Kipsate wrote:
Warlock has quite a few problems but one of the biggest ones right now is simple

he doesn't handle splitpush.

On August 15 2013 00:45 PrinceXizor wrote:

I'd put warlock golem as about 40% of his total effectiveness. the stun doesn't get stopped by diffusal, and fatal bonds and his autos are still active, his shadow word is still active. Diffusal just isn't a big deal to deal with as warlock. period. Its a non-issue and putting a bandaid on a stab wound.

the enemy carry shouldn't even HAVE a diffusal for the first two offerings, and the third one only if its rushed, and the warlock decides to go use it ON the carry. (the rock being dropped on the carry in that situation will still end up causing that carries death though).