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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#71461
On August 13 2013 06:23 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:23 Zeo wrote:
Arteezy to Liquid?

plz no. LIQUID, don't do it.

why not? he is the best solo mid in the world
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 12 2013 21:27 GMT
#71462
fonaw is only true pub hero of the defense of legends left
people with names starting with f are pretty good
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 12 2013 21:28 GMT
#71463
On August 13 2013 06:26 Dubzex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:23 TheEmulator wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:23 Zeo wrote:
Arteezy to Liquid?

plz no. LIQUID, don't do it.

why not? he is the best solo mid in the world

He has a TL account, but Tunabarret is best solo mid TL so how can he be the best in the world?
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
August 12 2013 21:28 GMT
#71464
On August 13 2013 06:26 Kuroeeah wrote:
Nazgul hinted of there being a chance of a reshuffle from Liquid

Source?
© Current year.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 12 2013 21:28 GMT
#71465
On August 13 2013 06:28 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:26 Dubzex wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:23 TheEmulator wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:23 Zeo wrote:
Arteezy to Liquid?

plz no. LIQUID, don't do it.

why not? he is the best solo mid in the world

He has a TL account, but Tunabarret is best solo mid TL so how can he be the best in the world?

doesn't need to play with u plebs
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 12 2013 21:29 GMT
#71466
On August 13 2013 06:26 RLTY wrote:
Sad to see euroypeans winning ;D; I hope Americans and Asians teams have a better showing next year!

I think American DotA needs to have more tournaments to help grow it's player size significantly. As much as people love to hate on MLG, them hosting a DotA 2 lan of some sort will help prosper the NA scene quite a bit.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 12 2013 21:30 GMT
#71467
On August 13 2013 06:29 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:26 RLTY wrote:
Sad to see euroypeans winning ;D; I hope Americans and Asians teams have a better showing next year!

I think American DotA needs to have more tournaments to help grow it's player size significantly. As much as people love to hate on MLG, them hosting a DotA 2 lan of some sort will help prosper the NA scene quite a bit.

I agree. We had the American Dota League which was fine, but we need a bunch more, and definitely stuff that isn't all online. We also need better players and teams, rofl
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
August 12 2013 21:31 GMT
#71468
On August 13 2013 06:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:24 Zeo wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:23 TheEmulator wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:23 Zeo wrote:
Arteezy to Liquid?

plz no. LIQUID, don't do it.

TC is too Canadian for team America

So is RTZ.

Wow, the whole time I thought he was american... lost all respect (not really )
If any of the boys in blue read this I just want to let you guys know that I love you all, keep up the good work <3
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 12 2013 21:32 GMT
#71469
On August 13 2013 06:26 Kuroeeah wrote:
Nazgul hinted of there being a chance of a reshuffle from Liquid and an interview from Fnatic hinted there might be a slight chance as well.

Regardless we will see roster changes on some level but I would be surprised if [A] and Na'Vi would undergo anything.

Now Fnatic would be surprising.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 12 2013 21:34 GMT
#71470
On August 13 2013 06:28 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:26 Kuroeeah wrote:
Nazgul hinted of there being a chance of a reshuffle from Liquid

Source?

FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 12 2013 21:34 GMT
#71471
On August 13 2013 05:23 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:17 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On August 13 2013 05:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 13 2013 04:52 Pseudoku wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:37 Nocticate wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:11 Shaella wrote:
teams least likely to shuffle in the scene seem to be to be Fnatic, TL, and Alliance

Fnatic is Fnatic, I find them unlikely to change their lineup

I think TL has a really strong lineup with a lot of good interpersonal strength between the members, it'd be a shame if 1 went.

Alliance.. I just don't see them swapping anyone out.

everyone else is liable to shakeup

id put Orange as pretty unlikely to shuffle.

So long as KyXy doesn't commit suicide over a $300K+ aegis deny (or $1.1M if they had beat alliance).

Being serious, I agree I don't think orange is changing anything (although I'd love to see the icex3 and mushi as teammates, their rapport during the 1v1 finals was really cool).

E: To be fair, its not like that aegis deny was a "pivotal moment" it was simply an unfortunate occurrence, and without it happening it is exceedingly hard to see Orange losing. Orange still were way ahead without the aegis but they let Na'Vi back into the game.


Possession of the Aegis makes a lot of options available.

On August 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
without [the aegis deny] happening it is exceedingly hard to see Orange losing

All I mean is that you can't only pin the loss on that. Orange could still have won, they remained ahead at that point.


They lost because their draft was utter trash.

Even with an Aegis they almost certainly would have eventually lost.

They had a chance with an aegis, and I wouldn't say its trash (I've seen Mushi beat 3+ BKB heroes on OD before, much to my surprise)>

Basically, with that aegis, they would have had to play the teamfight just right, but by the time Mushi was up after losing the Aegis, all BKBs would have been down and Blackhole used, and he was far enough ahead where his Eclipse would have hit for 6/8 - 7/8ths of some heroes HPs.

After losing the aegis, not only did they not have that advantage, but they just started playing badly / positioning badly and focusing really poorly. Losing the aegis was more than just the aegis itself at that point.


They had a chance, sure. My point is that it was a slim chance made even slimmer by the deny, not a sure thing that kyxy threw away as some seem to think.

On August 13 2013 05:55 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:17 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On August 13 2013 05:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 13 2013 04:52 Pseudoku wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:37 Nocticate wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:11 Shaella wrote:
teams least likely to shuffle in the scene seem to be to be Fnatic, TL, and Alliance

Fnatic is Fnatic, I find them unlikely to change their lineup

I think TL has a really strong lineup with a lot of good interpersonal strength between the members, it'd be a shame if 1 went.

Alliance.. I just don't see them swapping anyone out.

everyone else is liable to shakeup

id put Orange as pretty unlikely to shuffle.

So long as KyXy doesn't commit suicide over a $300K+ aegis deny (or $1.1M if they had beat alliance).

Being serious, I agree I don't think orange is changing anything (although I'd love to see the icex3 and mushi as teammates, their rapport during the 1v1 finals was really cool).

E: To be fair, its not like that aegis deny was a "pivotal moment" it was simply an unfortunate occurrence, and without it happening it is exceedingly hard to see Orange losing. Orange still were way ahead without the aegis but they let Na'Vi back into the game.


Possession of the Aegis makes a lot of options available.

On August 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
without [the aegis deny] happening it is exceedingly hard to see Orange losing

All I mean is that you can't only pin the loss on that. Orange could still have won, they remained ahead at that point.


They lost because their draft was utter trash.

Even with an Aegis they almost certainly would have eventually lost.

No. Now stop talking about it, cuz all it shows is that you have no grasp on the game.


They needed to double team wipe to win. Even with an Aegis, that was always very unlikely to happen. Obviously it hurt their ability to manage such a hard task, but it wasn't what made it hard in the first place - that was a draft which lacked push and wasn't able to compete late game coupled with an early game that simply wasn't half as dominant as they needed it to be.

I have no issue with people showing me to be wrong - it helps my understanding of the game and the purpose of forums is to discuss, after all - but as far as I can tell you have literally nothing to add to the discussion except you capacity to act like a dick.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 12 2013 21:35 GMT
#71472
On August 13 2013 06:32 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:26 Kuroeeah wrote:
Nazgul hinted of there being a chance of a reshuffle from Liquid and an interview from Fnatic hinted there might be a slight chance as well.

Regardless we will see roster changes on some level but I would be surprised if [A] and Na'Vi would undergo anything.

Now Fnatic would be surprising.

I'm guessing what he meant is that a Fnatic interview may have hinted at a Liquid shakeup, although I have no source for that. I do recall an interview with Fly post-elimination saying that we could count on Fnatic sticking together for the foreseeable future.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
August 12 2013 21:40 GMT
#71473
What about Testie (I see he is streaming hon)? Seriously our pro-team should be built out of ex-BW pros, its Team Liquid for crying out loud!
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 12 2013 21:48 GMT
#71474
I'd still be surprised if TL shook up, but anything's possible
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
August 12 2013 21:49 GMT
#71475
On August 13 2013 06:34 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:23 Comeh wrote:
On August 13 2013 05:17 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On August 13 2013 05:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 13 2013 04:52 Pseudoku wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:37 Nocticate wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:11 Shaella wrote:
teams least likely to shuffle in the scene seem to be to be Fnatic, TL, and Alliance

Fnatic is Fnatic, I find them unlikely to change their lineup

I think TL has a really strong lineup with a lot of good interpersonal strength between the members, it'd be a shame if 1 went.

Alliance.. I just don't see them swapping anyone out.

everyone else is liable to shakeup

id put Orange as pretty unlikely to shuffle.

So long as KyXy doesn't commit suicide over a $300K+ aegis deny (or $1.1M if they had beat alliance).

Being serious, I agree I don't think orange is changing anything (although I'd love to see the icex3 and mushi as teammates, their rapport during the 1v1 finals was really cool).

E: To be fair, its not like that aegis deny was a "pivotal moment" it was simply an unfortunate occurrence, and without it happening it is exceedingly hard to see Orange losing. Orange still were way ahead without the aegis but they let Na'Vi back into the game.


Possession of the Aegis makes a lot of options available.

On August 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
without [the aegis deny] happening it is exceedingly hard to see Orange losing

All I mean is that you can't only pin the loss on that. Orange could still have won, they remained ahead at that point.


They lost because their draft was utter trash.

Even with an Aegis they almost certainly would have eventually lost.

They had a chance with an aegis, and I wouldn't say its trash (I've seen Mushi beat 3+ BKB heroes on OD before, much to my surprise)>

Basically, with that aegis, they would have had to play the teamfight just right, but by the time Mushi was up after losing the Aegis, all BKBs would have been down and Blackhole used, and he was far enough ahead where his Eclipse would have hit for 6/8 - 7/8ths of some heroes HPs.

After losing the aegis, not only did they not have that advantage, but they just started playing badly / positioning badly and focusing really poorly. Losing the aegis was more than just the aegis itself at that point.


They had a chance, sure. My point is that it was a slim chance made even slimmer by the deny, not a sure thing that kyxy threw away as some seem to think.

Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:55 Erasme wrote:
On August 13 2013 05:17 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On August 13 2013 05:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 13 2013 04:52 Pseudoku wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:37 Nocticate wrote:
On August 13 2013 03:11 Shaella wrote:
teams least likely to shuffle in the scene seem to be to be Fnatic, TL, and Alliance

Fnatic is Fnatic, I find them unlikely to change their lineup

I think TL has a really strong lineup with a lot of good interpersonal strength between the members, it'd be a shame if 1 went.

Alliance.. I just don't see them swapping anyone out.

everyone else is liable to shakeup

id put Orange as pretty unlikely to shuffle.

So long as KyXy doesn't commit suicide over a $300K+ aegis deny (or $1.1M if they had beat alliance).

Being serious, I agree I don't think orange is changing anything (although I'd love to see the icex3 and mushi as teammates, their rapport during the 1v1 finals was really cool).

E: To be fair, its not like that aegis deny was a "pivotal moment" it was simply an unfortunate occurrence, and without it happening it is exceedingly hard to see Orange losing. Orange still were way ahead without the aegis but they let Na'Vi back into the game.


Possession of the Aegis makes a lot of options available.

On August 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
without [the aegis deny] happening it is exceedingly hard to see Orange losing

All I mean is that you can't only pin the loss on that. Orange could still have won, they remained ahead at that point.


They lost because their draft was utter trash.

Even with an Aegis they almost certainly would have eventually lost.

No. Now stop talking about it, cuz all it shows is that you have no grasp on the game.


They needed to double team wipe to win. Even with an Aegis, that was always very unlikely to happen. Obviously it hurt their ability to manage such a hard task, but it wasn't what made it hard in the first place - that was a draft which lacked push and wasn't able to compete late game coupled with an early game that simply wasn't half as dominant as they needed it to be.

I have no issue with people showing me to be wrong - it helps my understanding of the game and the purpose of forums is to discuss, after all - but as far as I can tell you have literally nothing to add to the discussion except you capacity to act like a dick.

You're absolutely right. Track gold meant Na'vi was never fatally far behind, and the threat of BKB blackhole made Na'vi's high ground an extremely daunting proposition for Orange's lineup. They needed to execute to perfection to have a chance even with the Aegis in hand.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 22:05:02
August 12 2013 21:50 GMT
#71476
My bad :x
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
August 12 2013 21:52 GMT
#71477
On August 13 2013 06:50 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:26 Kuroeeah wrote:
Nazgul hinted of there being a chance of a reshuffle from Liquid

Source?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIBaHYooaLA

and also
http://nadota.com/showthread.php?19017-Roster-change-speculation-thread-is-an-embarrassment-so-here-s-how-it-s-rly-goin-down
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
August 12 2013 21:54 GMT
#71478
Have you ever seen a game as wild as this?

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
Before you ask, yes, it was mega creeps vs mega creeps!
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 12 2013 22:13 GMT
#71479
On August 13 2013 06:54 akatama wrote:
Have you ever seen a game as wild as this?

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
Before you ask, yes, it was mega creeps vs mega creeps!

sickest game bro do you have a team? pm me need carry

#Ti4
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
August 12 2013 22:28 GMT
#71480
Hey there guys! are you able to normally log in and play? I cant find the dota2 network =(
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