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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 07 2013 00:24 GMT
#70641
On August 07 2013 09:00 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 08:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:58 SKC wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:28 crms wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:27 Erasme wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:24 sc_a.M wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:20 Mataza wrote:
You ain't IceFrog, that's alright, we forgive you.

Heroes are certain ways purely for diversity and for the designer's vision. Dragon Knight is the only hero that has a long stun along with an aoe nuke. Drawback: mediocre rightclick damage and the stun is melee range.

For example there was a time when vengeful spirit's missile had 1.75 seconds stun on every level. But the great designer didn't like only 1 skillpoint in magic missile being viable, so he scaled the stun duration back a little.

lina's stun duration doesn't scale or?

her passive is shit

tell that to dendimon.

when dendi plays 5th position he can talk about how to play support heroes.

He wasn't playing a support.


Yeah thats his point.

Dendi never talked about how to play a 5th position hero. He played Lina with Fiery Soul and did well. I assume that's the original reference.

clearly a support lina should do like dendi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 07 2013 00:25 GMT
#70642
On August 07 2013 09:24 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 09:00 SKC wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:58 SKC wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:28 crms wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:27 Erasme wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:24 sc_a.M wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:20 Mataza wrote:
You ain't IceFrog, that's alright, we forgive you.

Heroes are certain ways purely for diversity and for the designer's vision. Dragon Knight is the only hero that has a long stun along with an aoe nuke. Drawback: mediocre rightclick damage and the stun is melee range.

For example there was a time when vengeful spirit's missile had 1.75 seconds stun on every level. But the great designer didn't like only 1 skillpoint in magic missile being viable, so he scaled the stun duration back a little.

lina's stun duration doesn't scale or?

her passive is shit

tell that to dendimon.

when dendi plays 5th position he can talk about how to play support heroes.

He wasn't playing a support.


Yeah thats his point.

Dendi never talked about how to play a 5th position hero. He played Lina with Fiery Soul and did well. I assume that's the original reference.

clearly a support lina should do like dendi

I'm just saying he never talked about how to play support heroes.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 07 2013 00:31 GMT
#70643
On August 07 2013 08:20 Mataza wrote:
For example there was a time when vengeful spirit's missile had 1.75 seconds stun on every level. But the great designer didn't like only 1 skillpoint in magic missile being viable, so he scaled the stun duration back a little.

Actually, when VS had 1.75s stun at all ranks, she was pretty much first-pick all the time in that version of the game (Wave of Terror was a lot stronger then too).

The change was just one of a few successive tweaks he made to her over several versions.

With regard to Dragon Tail, it's in a very good spot, I have no clue why you'd want that skill tweaked. It's good on 1 rank, but also situationally good to put more points into (after Breathe Fire and Dragon Breath are maxed, obviously) based on the game. It has flexibility in how you skill it, which is a good thing.
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Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
August 07 2013 00:31 GMT
#70644
I opened my very first 5 chests (to celebrate TI3) and got unusual feezle feez, thats some luck ! Should I sell it right now, or wait for some months / years ? If I understand it right, it can only be dropped from TI chests, and so will be more rare in the futur ?
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 00:34:02
August 07 2013 00:33 GMT
#70645
On August 07 2013 09:31 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 08:20 Mataza wrote:
For example there was a time when vengeful spirit's missile had 1.75 seconds stun on every level. But the great designer didn't like only 1 skillpoint in magic missile being viable, so he scaled the stun duration back a little.

Actually, when VS had 1.75s stun at all ranks, she was pretty much first-pick all the time in that version of the game (Wave of Terror was a lot stronger then too).

The change was just one of a few successive tweaks he made to her over several versions.

With regard to Dragon Tail, it's in a very good spot, I have no clue why you'd want that skill tweaked. It's good on 1 rank, but also situationally good to put more points into (after Breathe Fire and Dragon Breath are maxed, obviously) based on the game. It has flexibility in how you skill it, which is a good thing.


Breathe Fire and Dragon Breath? When did DK get 2 AOE spells you meant Dragon Blood? The armor skill?
Mew Mew Pew Pew
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 07 2013 00:35 GMT
#70646
On August 07 2013 09:33 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 09:31 TheYango wrote:
On August 07 2013 08:20 Mataza wrote:
For example there was a time when vengeful spirit's missile had 1.75 seconds stun on every level. But the great designer didn't like only 1 skillpoint in magic missile being viable, so he scaled the stun duration back a little.

Actually, when VS had 1.75s stun at all ranks, she was pretty much first-pick all the time in that version of the game (Wave of Terror was a lot stronger then too).

The change was just one of a few successive tweaks he made to her over several versions.

With regard to Dragon Tail, it's in a very good spot, I have no clue why you'd want that skill tweaked. It's good on 1 rank, but also situationally good to put more points into (after Breathe Fire and Dragon Breath are maxed, obviously) based on the game. It has flexibility in how you skill it, which is a good thing.


Breathe Fire and Dragon Breath? When did DK get 2 AOE spells you meant Dragon Blood? The armor skill?

Surrender your mod badge yango, you're all washed up.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 07 2013 00:51 GMT
#70647
On August 07 2013 05:56 smr wrote:
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On August 07 2013 04:39 Asha` wrote:
One day I'll work out how I've managed to reach 0-7 as lich, I don't think that should be possible even if you try.

Anyone else want to share embarrassing hero stats to make me feel better? =p


3 - 11 shadow demon
0 - 4 clock
are my best : )


S'up.
2-8 as "pubstomper" Riki

Yeah...that invisibility = invincibility thing really doesn't seem to work for me. :-\


I've got other bad ones but most of those with a decent number of games on are heroes I actually play ok on but appear to be cursed. I'm 1-9 on Puck for example; I actually seem to do ok but it seems like either we lose a close game or my team just goes, to put it in SC2 terms, "full foreigner" when I pick it.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
August 07 2013 00:57 GMT
#70648
Just got a trapjaw, first unusual courier unbox ever.
Frick yeah, it's not the one i was hoping for but i'm happy.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 01:06:36
August 07 2013 01:02 GMT
#70649
On August 07 2013 06:08 Plansix wrote:
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On August 07 2013 06:02 TheYango wrote:
Fundamentally AM and PL are heroes that require your teammates to do a lot for you in order for you to win. They're not strong in lane, require their 2nd/3rd major item to really come into maximum effectiveness, and are not good at playing from behind.

People remember their AM/PL wins in pub games but I would argue that for the most part, pub games won on AM and PL were not won by AM or PL, but by the other 9 players in the game (and yes, that could include the enemy being inept).

I often tell my team "Look guys, we have PL. All we need to do is give him enough room to farm a heart and another damage item and he will rip out the other teams soul. He will become the beautiful death-flower we wanted him to be. They have Blood Seeker and he is a chump. We just need to no die for about 25 minutes and we will win this with style.

PL, stay the fuck away and play Diablo until you have a Heart. Don't help us, we are dead to you."

Normally, we win after that as long as no one becomes super dumb.


If someone pick-random PL-AM-Void you're screwed. Because Pub Game =No tp, no coordination, minimal map awarenes. Getting 3rd item on these heroes are extremely important but in pubs there is no option like that.

But.. Be a man and increase your teams game knowledge by yourself. Increase their communication, Increase their farming speed by %50-100. There is only one hero can increase his allies game fundamentals. You can even force them to do right things.

Yes. You can do it and you can do it alone! All you need is....

+ Show Spoiler +
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I have %62 winrate with him. Yeah. If someone pick a extremely item dependant hero, just pick kotl. No one can push you, no one can mess with your carry at laning phase (AM, and void has blink already, PL-Kotl.. Well thats über combo and the most important things is, with average game knowledge you can force your teammates for counter initiate, force them to use their mana freely, force your farm dependant hero to carry a tp.

Be a man and pick Gandalf!

My worst heroes.
1-5 venge
1-6 Sven
1-5 weaver.
Meh....
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 07 2013 01:03 GMT
#70650
On August 07 2013 09:57 Unleashing wrote:
Just got a trapjaw, first unusual courier unbox ever.
Frick yeah, it's not the one i was hoping for but i'm happy.

T_T he's the best one.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 01:04:56
August 07 2013 01:04 GMT
#70651
On August 07 2013 10:03 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 09:57 Unleashing wrote:
Just got a trapjaw, first unusual courier unbox ever.
Frick yeah, it's not the one i was hoping for but i'm happy.

T_T he's the best one.

I like the fez one.
But i also like the trapjaw one. Fez one is just slightly cooler.
If you get the fez one i'd trade 1:1 gladly
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
August 07 2013 01:10 GMT
#70652
My antimage is 3-12, OD is 0-7, WD 0-5

I usually have absurd winrates at some heroes and then shitty ones at the other heroes.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 07 2013 01:18 GMT
#70653
What exactly causes an abandonment and how big a deal is it? I I was out a few minutes and when I reconnected it told me I had abandoned, but it let me play the rest of the game anyway. Sorry for noob question
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
August 07 2013 01:20 GMT
#70654
On August 07 2013 10:18 Bibbit wrote:
What exactly causes an abandonment and how big a deal is it? I I was out a few minutes and when I reconnected it told me I had abandoned, but it let me play the rest of the game anyway. Sorry for noob question

I think if you DC over 4 minutes it counts as abandonment. Unless everyone else on your team leaves or the game ends first.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 07 2013 01:24 GMT
#70655
On August 07 2013 10:20 jrkirby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 10:18 Bibbit wrote:
What exactly causes an abandonment and how big a deal is it? I I was out a few minutes and when I reconnected it told me I had abandoned, but it let me play the rest of the game anyway. Sorry for noob question

I think if you DC over 4 minutes it counts as abandonment. Unless everyone else on your team leaves or the game ends first.

Ah thanks, I guess my internet was out longer than I thought. That's a shame.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 01:26:24
August 07 2013 01:26 GMT
#70656
On August 07 2013 10:18 Bibbit wrote:
What exactly causes an abandonment and how big a deal is it? I I was out a few minutes and when I reconnected it told me I had abandoned, but it let me play the rest of the game anyway. Sorry for noob question

Being afk (not getting xp for 5min) gets you an abandon, or being the first to leave game before it ends. Not a big deal at all unless you have OCD and are forever haunted about not having 0 abandons.
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 07 2013 01:29 GMT
#70657
On August 07 2013 10:26 ChunderBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 10:18 Bibbit wrote:
What exactly causes an abandonment and how big a deal is it? I I was out a few minutes and when I reconnected it told me I had abandoned, but it let me play the rest of the game anyway. Sorry for noob question

Being afk (not getting xp for 5min) gets you an abandon, or being the first to leave game before it ends. Not a big deal at all unless you have OCD and are forever haunted about not having 0 abandons.

Ah that's definitely what happened. My internet was stuttering for a bit before cutting out entirely so I was hanging out in base. Thanks
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 07 2013 01:39 GMT
#70658
On August 07 2013 10:18 Bibbit wrote:
What exactly causes an abandonment and how big a deal is it? I I was out a few minutes and when I reconnected it told me I had abandoned, but it let me play the rest of the game anyway. Sorry for noob question

There is the simple question thread for that, but here is a freebie.
You get an abandon after 5 minutes of being disconnected. If you get several abandons you are put into low priority queue, which is rumored to be really crappy.


As for being good with certain heroes:
My hypothesis is that every hero excels if played certain ways depending on the hero. The heroes you have good win ratio with are the ones you play one of the good ways.
Mana management, item choices and positioning in ganks and teamfights do make or break a hero.
I have come to that conclusion from trying to play Slardar similar to Nightstalker, PA similar to Riki, Enchantress similar to Chen, Nature's Prophet jungling similar like Enigma. You would think that if urn is good on one hero it is good on other heroes that seem similar.
The differences can be enourmous. A playstyle that gives you a 9-1 record on 1 hero can lead you to a 3-7 record on another hero.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
August 07 2013 01:46 GMT
#70659
How well can you other guys play in heavy lag/stuttering connection?

Sometimes my internet becomes... intermittent. I get like 1 frame server response every .5 seconds on average, and it becomes incredibly difficult to play. However, I've noticed I can actually play somewhat under these conditions. While I cannot play optimally, and last hitting creeps is out of the question, I can often contribute to fights, landing abilities, and even occasionally get kills. Is this similar to other's experiences?

Also, on a marginally related note, sometimes my ping is great, and the connection seems fine, 0% packet loss. But then when I click to move somewhere, it takes over a second before I visually start to see my character move. This doesn't happen all the time, and is subtle when it does happen, so much that I sometimes wonder if I had even clicked at all. But I can tell when it happens and it's incredibly frustrating. Anyone else have any guesses as to what causes this or how I can tell for certain whats happening?
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
August 07 2013 01:54 GMT
#70660
On August 07 2013 10:46 jrkirby wrote:
How well can you other guys play in heavy lag/stuttering connection?

Sometimes my internet becomes... intermittent. I get like 1 frame server response every .5 seconds on average, and it becomes incredibly difficult to play. However, I've noticed I can actually play somewhat under these conditions. While I cannot play optimally, and last hitting creeps is out of the question, I can often contribute to fights, landing abilities, and even occasionally get kills. Is this similar to other's experiences?

Also, on a marginally related note, sometimes my ping is great, and the connection seems fine, 0% packet loss. But then when I click to move somewhere, it takes over a second before I visually start to see my character move. This doesn't happen all the time, and is subtle when it does happen, so much that I sometimes wonder if I had even clicked at all. But I can tell when it happens and it's incredibly frustrating. Anyone else have any guesses as to what causes this or how I can tell for certain whats happening?


I don't know why it happens, I just dismiss mine as shitty internet.
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