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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 07 2013 05:46 Comeh wrote: This must be in the world of the "NEVER GANK THE AM". I miss this world. Its like playing Diablo, except when at the end of the game you right click other heroes until they explode, instead of the devil. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On August 07 2013 04:39 Asha` wrote: One day I'll work out how I've managed to reach 0-7 as lich, I don't think that should be possible even if you try. Anyone else want to share embarrassing hero stats to make me feel better? =p 3 - 11 shadow demon 0 - 4 clock are my best : ) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
People remember their AM/PL wins in pub games but I would argue that for the most part, pub games won on AM and PL were not won by AM or PL, but by the other 9 players in the game (and yes, that could include the enemy being inept). | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
2-6 Nyx | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On August 07 2013 06:02 TheYango wrote: Fundamentally AM and PL are heroes that require your teammates to do a lot for you in order for you to win. They're not strong in lane, require their 2nd/3rd major item to really come into maximum effectiveness, and are not good at playing from behind. People remember their AM/PL wins in pub games but I would argue that for the most part, pub games won on AM and PL were not won by AM or PL, but by the other 9 players in the game (and yes, that could include the enemy being inept). No, no, a PL solo hard lane managed to kill drow 3 times in a row my last game. On the other side we, as slark + timber mate managed to take their tower at lvl 5 vs naix and veno + wood lycan, go figure. Playing pub games is not real. (PS : very high obviously) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 07 2013 06:02 TheYango wrote: Fundamentally AM and PL are heroes that require your teammates to do a lot for you in order for you to win. They're not strong in lane, require their 2nd/3rd major item to really come into maximum effectiveness, and are not good at playing from behind. People remember their AM/PL wins in pub games but I would argue that for the most part, pub games won on AM and PL were not won by AM or PL, but by the other 9 players in the game (and yes, that could include the enemy being inept). I often tell my team "Look guys, we have PL. All we need to do is give him enough room to farm a heart and another damage item and he will rip out the other teams soul. He will become the beautiful death-flower we wanted him to be. They have Blood Seeker and he is a chump. We just need to no die for about 25 minutes and we will win this with style. PL, stay the fuck away and play Diablo until you have a Heart. Don't help us, we are dead to you." Normally, we win after that as long as no one becomes super dumb. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
- Losing lanes snowballs harder because by nature pub supports are less coordinated in playing damage control for a losing lane (e.g. ganking a mid laner who's ahead, denying the enemy mid runes, etc.) - Overall disadvantages snowball harder because it takes more coordination and teamplay to play damage control and come back than it does to maintain an advantage. The losing team is the one that has to do things like coordinate smoke ganks, bait counterganks, etc. to put themselves back in the game, and these are fundamentally difficult to do properly in a pub game with 4 other random players that you've never played with before. It's not so much "don't die for 25 minutes" because once the game moves into the "5v4 because you have PL" stage, you can't just give things up slowly because if they suddenly take all your outer towers 5v4, your PL suddenly has nowhere to go to actually continue farming. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On August 07 2013 06:08 nojok wrote: No, no, a PL solo hard lane managed to kill drow 3 times in a row my last game. On the other side we, as slark + timber mate managed to take their tower at lvl 5 vs naix and veno + wood lycan, go figure. Playing pub games is not real. (PS : very high obviously) I wouldn't worry about it - PL is one of the strongest offlaners in the game. Kupo will agree with me here. Also, i'm still trying to make up for my storm after this start: http://dotabuff.com/players/26938848/matches?game_mode=&hero=storm-spirit&match_type=real&page=3 | ||
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Sweden979 Posts
On August 07 2013 06:02 TheYango wrote: People remember their AM/PL wins in pub games but I would argue that for the most part, pub games won on AM and PL were not won by AM or PL, but by the other 9 players in the game (and yes, that could include the enemy being inept). I don't feel this is limited to AM and PL. It's a big problem in general, especially among my less experienced friends. Agha-refresher zeus is a nuisance, just because this one game long ago someone managed to be part of a stomp, it must be built every game, even if we got stomped in lane. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On August 07 2013 04:45 Comeh wrote: This reminds me of a game I played with some "CHICAGO PROS" (self proclaimed). http://dotabuff.com/matches/240821095 Notice the amount of last hits on Void. The team he was on didn't cut him to have me replace him (which is probably a good thing, considering their skill level) Don't worry PA - you aren't the only terrible void player. comeh pls, I finally forgot about that game and you show it again. THE NIGHTMARE NEVER ENDS (bane voice) that game was so sad. | ||
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GentleDrill
United Kingdom672 Posts
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Adrian_mx
Mexico1880 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
New panel set-up looks sweet though. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRBDWlbCEAEmtIX.jpg) | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On August 07 2013 06:40 hifriend wrote: Wtf you can get items from deleting stuff? I just deleted my bloodstone thingy and got this haha. Immediatley deleting mine, in case it was some sort of hidden gift. No, it is not. edit for above :where is the middle lane? I see only top and bot | ||
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dblu
8 Posts
On August 07 2013 05:54 TheYango wrote: You got it backwards. Repicking used to put a hero back into the pool. It doesn't anymore: No, you. From a more recent patch: Repicking a randomed hero now re-adds the hero to the pool http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1338119 | ||
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
On August 07 2013 05:54 TheYango wrote: Repicking used to put a hero back into the pool. It doesn't anymore: You are wrong. 6.87 changelog Repicking a randomed hero now re-adds the hero to the pool Edit: got ninjad yet again | ||
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