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On August 02 2013 00:38 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:58 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:56 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:54 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:51 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:50 Hellbat wrote:On August 01 2013 22:21 Unleashing wrote:
Years later and he's still hidden.
What a fucking pro at hide and seek.
Also, i want -EM in dota2 so badly.
Would really help match-making i feel, sure Qss would be longer for the individual Qs but i feel it'd help MM a lot. Blah, I always hated -em. Double passive gold gained, no gold lost on death. in -em it was actually viable to go 4+ carries. Then don't play it, it'd give people who want to play a more casual type of dota that option. Which to me would improve regular MM. And thus, the argument of Ranked vs Unranked Ladder has come up again. HERE WE GO FOLKS How? How is EM the same as ranked vs unranked? I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. From what I understand, you want there to be a queue for EM - this would separate out queues / players from EM and the other modes, and artificially create separate ladders in a sense. How is EM being a seperate queue any different from RD, SD, AR all being seperate queues? You tick the modes you want. Stop being a child.
Because its a completely different style of play, and game as a whole. RD, SD, AR all follow the same basic rules after you are done picking your hero. EM doesn't - the game functions completely differently. If EM is implemented, it will probably be done in private lobbies.
Not sure how i'm being a child.
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On August 02 2013 00:35 Plansix wrote:
Ok, serious question. I need a video that can break down dota 2 for the viewer that is not 14 minutes long and its dry as hell. My GF wants to watch, but doesn’t want to have me explain everything or have to sit through a 20 minutes while someone explains the nature of each jungle camp and team comp. Lets say like 7 minutes.
I'd say ignore the jungle almost entirely, explain the basics dont go into advanced mechanics, no need to know that you used to be able to stack camps at :51 and now you have to do it at :53 to enjoy watching the game
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On August 02 2013 00:42 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:35 Plansix wrote:
Ok, serious question. I need a video that can break down dota 2 for the viewer that is not 14 minutes long and its dry as hell. My GF wants to watch, but doesn’t want to have me explain everything or have to sit through a 20 minutes while someone explains the nature of each jungle camp and team comp. Lets say like 7 minutes. I'd say ignore the jungle almost entirely, explain the basics dont go into advanced mechanics, no need to know that you used to be able to stack camps at :51 and now you have to do it at :53 to enjoy watching the game
She doesn't want me to explain it, she wants to watch it on her own time. I am just wondering if there is a good video out there for watching dota 2 or really basic gameplay.
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On August 02 2013 00:39 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:38 ch33psh33p wrote:On August 01 2013 23:58 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:56 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:54 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:51 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:50 Hellbat wrote:On August 01 2013 22:21 Unleashing wrote:
Years later and he's still hidden.
What a fucking pro at hide and seek.
Also, i want -EM in dota2 so badly.
Would really help match-making i feel, sure Qss would be longer for the individual Qs but i feel it'd help MM a lot. Blah, I always hated -em. Double passive gold gained, no gold lost on death. in -em it was actually viable to go 4+ carries. Then don't play it, it'd give people who want to play a more casual type of dota that option. Which to me would improve regular MM. And thus, the argument of Ranked vs Unranked Ladder has come up again. HERE WE GO FOLKS How? How is EM the same as ranked vs unranked? I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. From what I understand, you want there to be a queue for EM - this would separate out queues / players from EM and the other modes, and artificially create separate ladders in a sense. How is EM being a seperate queue any different from RD, SD, AR all being seperate queues? You tick the modes you want. Stop being a child. Because its a completely different style of play, and game as a whole. RD, SD, AR all follow the same basic rules after you are done picking your hero. EM doesn't - the game functions completely differently. If EM is implemented, it will probably be done in private lobbies. Not sure how i'm being a child.
I still don't see how it is at all similar to ranked vs unranked.
Does that mean solo MM is currently the 'unranked' mode compared to team MM which would be the ranked? And people are currently seperated because of this? Because i certainly haven't noticed that at all.
Or what about people who play nothing but co-op VS AI? vs PVP? I also haven't noticed that causing any seperation between players.
If you could tick that you wanted to play EM it would not seperate people at all the way a ranked ladder with a visible MMR would.
I do not agree with that at all.
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EM just won't be ranked, why are we even arguing about this. It's not comparable to CM.
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On August 02 2013 00:47 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:39 Comeh wrote:On August 02 2013 00:38 ch33psh33p wrote:On August 01 2013 23:58 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:56 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:54 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:51 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:50 Hellbat wrote:On August 01 2013 22:21 Unleashing wrote:
Years later and he's still hidden.
What a fucking pro at hide and seek.
Also, i want -EM in dota2 so badly.
Would really help match-making i feel, sure Qss would be longer for the individual Qs but i feel it'd help MM a lot. Blah, I always hated -em. Double passive gold gained, no gold lost on death. in -em it was actually viable to go 4+ carries. Then don't play it, it'd give people who want to play a more casual type of dota that option. Which to me would improve regular MM. And thus, the argument of Ranked vs Unranked Ladder has come up again. HERE WE GO FOLKS How? How is EM the same as ranked vs unranked? I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. From what I understand, you want there to be a queue for EM - this would separate out queues / players from EM and the other modes, and artificially create separate ladders in a sense. How is EM being a seperate queue any different from RD, SD, AR all being seperate queues? You tick the modes you want. Stop being a child. Because its a completely different style of play, and game as a whole. RD, SD, AR all follow the same basic rules after you are done picking your hero. EM doesn't - the game functions completely differently. If EM is implemented, it will probably be done in private lobbies. Not sure how i'm being a child. I still don't see how it is at all similar to ranked vs unranked. Does that mean solo MM is currently the 'unranked' mode compared to team MM which would be the ranked? And people are currently seperated because of this? Because i certainly haven't noticed that at all. Or what about people who play nothing but co-op VS AI? vs PVP? I also haven't noticed that causing any seperation between players. If you could tick that you wanted to play EM it would not seperate people at all the way a ranked ladder with a visible MMR would. I do not agree with that at all.
I guess I just don't think that EM should really be available as a MM mode. One of the things that plagued dota1 were a large community of people that only played EM, and never played Normal Dota. Creating a community where this is divided doesn't seem something healthy to me, and if EM were incorporated into MM, most people wouldn't queue EM and normal MM - they would queue one or the other. I think there is a belief that IF doesn't really like the existence of EM, though that's just pure rumors with not much behind it.
If there was some sort of separate searching method that was created when custom maps are incorporated, then that would seem to be the best place to have EM (well, other than custom lobbies).
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I think if they add EM it will be different from how it was in DotA.
I mean it's not impossible to rebalance exp/gold without making it a total carry fest.
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ixmikes grin is contagious.
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On August 02 2013 00:52 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:47 Unleashing wrote:On August 02 2013 00:39 Comeh wrote:On August 02 2013 00:38 ch33psh33p wrote:On August 01 2013 23:58 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:56 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:54 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:51 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:50 Hellbat wrote:On August 01 2013 22:21 Unleashing wrote:
Years later and he's still hidden.
What a fucking pro at hide and seek.
Also, i want -EM in dota2 so badly.
Would really help match-making i feel, sure Qss would be longer for the individual Qs but i feel it'd help MM a lot. Blah, I always hated -em. Double passive gold gained, no gold lost on death. in -em it was actually viable to go 4+ carries. Then don't play it, it'd give people who want to play a more casual type of dota that option. Which to me would improve regular MM. And thus, the argument of Ranked vs Unranked Ladder has come up again. HERE WE GO FOLKS How? How is EM the same as ranked vs unranked? I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. From what I understand, you want there to be a queue for EM - this would separate out queues / players from EM and the other modes, and artificially create separate ladders in a sense. How is EM being a seperate queue any different from RD, SD, AR all being seperate queues? You tick the modes you want. Stop being a child. Because its a completely different style of play, and game as a whole. RD, SD, AR all follow the same basic rules after you are done picking your hero. EM doesn't - the game functions completely differently. If EM is implemented, it will probably be done in private lobbies. Not sure how i'm being a child. I still don't see how it is at all similar to ranked vs unranked. Does that mean solo MM is currently the 'unranked' mode compared to team MM which would be the ranked? And people are currently seperated because of this? Because i certainly haven't noticed that at all. Or what about people who play nothing but co-op VS AI? vs PVP? I also haven't noticed that causing any seperation between players. If you could tick that you wanted to play EM it would not seperate people at all the way a ranked ladder with a visible MMR would. I do not agree with that at all. I guess I just don't think that EM should really be available as a MM mode. One of the things that plagued dota1 were a large community of people that only played EM, and never played Normal Dota. Creating a community where this is divided doesn't seem something healthy to me, and if EM were incorporated into MM, most people wouldn't queue EM and normal MM - they would queue one or the other. I think there is a belief that IF doesn't really like the existence of EM, though that's just pure rumors with not much behind it. If there was some sort of separate searching method that was created when custom maps are incorporated, then that would seem to be the best place to have EM (well, other than custom lobbies).
At the risk of stoking the flames - what's the problem? If we could have EM to suck the worst bottom feeders (lol) out of regular MM, so much the better. Considering how popular EM used to be I'm sure it'll be played in dota 2, and it is in Valve's interest to make features people like to maintain interest around the game.
The segregation argument is completely bullshit because the playerbase is already segregated by skill. A game as complex as dota makes it impossible for beginners to play against experienced players and have fun. The experienced players won't have fun either since they being experienced have tried to stomp before.
Not everyone is here to play the same tryhard pro competitive nolifer (etc) dota that myself and most of this forum seems to prescribe to. EM has a place and dota isn't the same without it. To be completely blunt all I hear is "stop liking what I don't like."
On August 02 2013 00:53 teapoted wrote:
I think if they add EM it will be different from how it was in DotA.
I mean it's not impossible to rebalance exp/gold without making it a total carry fest.
Why not? Do you even remember DotA -em? It was that.
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On August 02 2013 01:02 beef42 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:52 Comeh wrote:On August 02 2013 00:47 Unleashing wrote:On August 02 2013 00:39 Comeh wrote:On August 02 2013 00:38 ch33psh33p wrote:On August 01 2013 23:58 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:56 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:54 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:51 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:50 Hellbat wrote:
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Blah, I always hated -em. Double passive gold gained, no gold lost on death. in -em it was actually viable to go 4+ carries. Then don't play it, it'd give people who want to play a more casual type of dota that option. Which to me would improve regular MM. And thus, the argument of Ranked vs Unranked Ladder has come up again. HERE WE GO FOLKS How? How is EM the same as ranked vs unranked? I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. From what I understand, you want there to be a queue for EM - this would separate out queues / players from EM and the other modes, and artificially create separate ladders in a sense. How is EM being a seperate queue any different from RD, SD, AR all being seperate queues? You tick the modes you want. Stop being a child. Because its a completely different style of play, and game as a whole. RD, SD, AR all follow the same basic rules after you are done picking your hero. EM doesn't - the game functions completely differently. If EM is implemented, it will probably be done in private lobbies. Not sure how i'm being a child. I still don't see how it is at all similar to ranked vs unranked. Does that mean solo MM is currently the 'unranked' mode compared to team MM which would be the ranked? And people are currently seperated because of this? Because i certainly haven't noticed that at all. Or what about people who play nothing but co-op VS AI? vs PVP? I also haven't noticed that causing any seperation between players. If you could tick that you wanted to play EM it would not seperate people at all the way a ranked ladder with a visible MMR would. I do not agree with that at all. I guess I just don't think that EM should really be available as a MM mode. One of the things that plagued dota1 were a large community of people that only played EM, and never played Normal Dota. Creating a community where this is divided doesn't seem something healthy to me, and if EM were incorporated into MM, most people wouldn't queue EM and normal MM - they would queue one or the other. I think there is a belief that IF doesn't really like the existence of EM, though that's just pure rumors with not much behind it. If there was some sort of separate searching method that was created when custom maps are incorporated, then that would seem to be the best place to have EM (well, other than custom lobbies). At the risk of stoking the flames - what's the problem? If we could have EM to suck the worst bottom feeders (lol) out of regular MM, so much the better. Considering how popular EM used to be I'm sure it'll be played in dota 2, and it is in Valve's interest to make features people like to maintain interest around the game. The segregation argument is completely bullshit because the playerbase is already segregated by skill. A game as complex as dota makes it impossible for beginners to play against experienced players and have fun. The experienced players won't have fun either since they being experienced have tried to stomp before. Not everyone is here to play the same tryhard pro competitive nolifer (etc) dota that myself and most of this forum seems to prescribe to. EM has a place and dota isn't the same without it. To be completely blunt all I hear is "stop liking what I don't like." Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:53 teapoted wrote:
I think if they add EM it will be different from how it was in DotA.
I mean it's not impossible to rebalance exp/gold without making it a total carry fest. Why not? Do you even remember DotA -em? It was that.
I guess I just dont see why it should be included in MM in the same vain as AP RD and SD if MMR is concerned, and it should be more implemented how all mid is, or maybe just how bot queues work.
I think it has a greater place where custom games fit, where the game isn't exactly dota, but more just a fun way to play the game (if you find EM fun) - so however that is going to work out, that's probably how it should be found / played.
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On August 02 2013 01:02 beef42 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:52 Comeh wrote:On August 02 2013 00:47 Unleashing wrote:On August 02 2013 00:39 Comeh wrote:On August 02 2013 00:38 ch33psh33p wrote:On August 01 2013 23:58 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:56 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:54 Comeh wrote:On August 01 2013 23:51 Unleashing wrote:On August 01 2013 23:50 Hellbat wrote:
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Blah, I always hated -em. Double passive gold gained, no gold lost on death. in -em it was actually viable to go 4+ carries. Then don't play it, it'd give people who want to play a more casual type of dota that option. Which to me would improve regular MM. And thus, the argument of Ranked vs Unranked Ladder has come up again. HERE WE GO FOLKS How? How is EM the same as ranked vs unranked? I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. From what I understand, you want there to be a queue for EM - this would separate out queues / players from EM and the other modes, and artificially create separate ladders in a sense. How is EM being a seperate queue any different from RD, SD, AR all being seperate queues? You tick the modes you want. Stop being a child. Because its a completely different style of play, and game as a whole. RD, SD, AR all follow the same basic rules after you are done picking your hero. EM doesn't - the game functions completely differently. If EM is implemented, it will probably be done in private lobbies. Not sure how i'm being a child. I still don't see how it is at all similar to ranked vs unranked. Does that mean solo MM is currently the 'unranked' mode compared to team MM which would be the ranked? And people are currently seperated because of this? Because i certainly haven't noticed that at all. Or what about people who play nothing but co-op VS AI? vs PVP? I also haven't noticed that causing any seperation between players. If you could tick that you wanted to play EM it would not seperate people at all the way a ranked ladder with a visible MMR would. I do not agree with that at all. I guess I just don't think that EM should really be available as a MM mode. One of the things that plagued dota1 were a large community of people that only played EM, and never played Normal Dota. Creating a community where this is divided doesn't seem something healthy to me, and if EM were incorporated into MM, most people wouldn't queue EM and normal MM - they would queue one or the other. I think there is a belief that IF doesn't really like the existence of EM, though that's just pure rumors with not much behind it. If there was some sort of separate searching method that was created when custom maps are incorporated, then that would seem to be the best place to have EM (well, other than custom lobbies). At the risk of stoking the flames - what's the problem? If we could have EM to suck the worst bottom feeders (lol) out of regular MM, so much the better. Considering how popular EM used to be I'm sure it'll be played in dota 2, and it is in Valve's interest to make features people like to maintain interest around the game. The segregation argument is completely bullshit because the playerbase is already segregated by skill. A game as complex as dota makes it impossible for beginners to play against experienced players and have fun. The experienced players won't have fun either since they being experienced have tried to stomp before. Not everyone is here to play the same tryhard pro competitive nolifer (etc) dota that myself and most of this forum seems to prescribe to. EM has a place and dota isn't the same without it. To be completely blunt all I hear is "stop liking what I don't like." Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:53 teapoted wrote:
I think if they add EM it will be different from how it was in DotA.
I mean it's not impossible to re balance exp/gold without making it a total carry fest. Why not? Do you even remember DotA -em? It was that.
EM would have to have a separate MM system.
For instance, Someone who Q's 200 games only EM will NOT have the same skill in a AR, SD, AP, CM game as someone who Q'd 200 games of a standard mode. So they will need to create a separate ranking system for EM games and keep them separated from peoples standard ELO.
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Why? If 200 game EM guy jumps into a regular mode, why can't you just kick his ass and get on with it?
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I don't see how newbies are being matched up with experienced players?
Smurfs yes, but that's a different issue.
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
a bunch of people tweeted
1v1 solo tournament
1.Dendi
2.Ferrari
3.s4
4.Fata
5.Mushi
6.Mu
7.Xiao8
8.Iceiceice
allstar
А - Dendi, Hao, Loda, Chuan, ArsArt
В - Burning, Akke, Mushi, Ferrari, Puppey
Wildcard match in...
Solo Championship Playoffs in...
The International 3 in...
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-em was fun, hope they add it to matchmaking!
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Cyborgmatt leaking 1v1 tourney
+ Show Spoiler +@Cyborgmatt 1m
The eight players for the 1v1 Solo Championship have been announced: Dendi, Ferrari, S4, Fata, Mushi, Mu, Xiao8, iceiceice #Dota2 #TI3
V1lat announcing the All-star match
+ Show Spoiler +Vitalii Volochai @v1lat 1m
Матч "Всех Звезд".
Команда А - Dendi, Hao, Loda, Chuan, ArsArt
Команда В - Burning, Akke, Mushi, Ferrari, Puppey
Kinda sad for no H4nni and TC in 1v1 and no Yao in All-star, but I am surprised on how diverse it is.
EDIT: Bah I'm slow!
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3 ti2 navi players in there :>
also ill be hugely surprised if anyone other than dendi wins 1v1, unless its magnus vs magnus then s4 wins
also no notail, this is invalid
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No Yamateh ? This tournament won't be as good as it could have been  .
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