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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
July 24 2013 17:53 GMT
#67981
How is Tobi going to actually mesh with wagamama for TI3 if they barely cast with each other. Is this going to be just like AC + Maelk at D2L finals? I cant see it going any differently even though Tobi is really good at rotating in other casters. There is just something that is gained when a pair has experience with each other.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 17:56:20
July 24 2013 17:55 GMT
#67982
They casted that ESL tournament together. I can't say I enjoyed their stream since I dislike Tobi's way of casting, but that's just a personal opinion.

Also Wagamama trying hard to change his accent really annoyed me, I hope he won't do that at TI3.

edit: Overall, I would say it was decent, but I still prefer LD+Lumi/Merlini.
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
July 24 2013 18:15 GMT
#67983
On July 25 2013 01:57 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 01:47 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2013 01:38 Tsutchie wrote:
On July 25 2013 00:38 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2013 00:31 Kipsate wrote:
Does this mean TB's fans will DL dota 2

Yeah, that is a problem with complaining about this stuff publicly. Anyone in SC2 who didn't know about the TI3 knows about it now thanks everyone freaking out. It only means that more people might switch to watch that than WCS NA.


i dont know about that, i think people who don't usually watch and play dota whom regularly watch sc2 will still watch wcs regardless of ti 3. the viewers that will be affected will be the ones that watch both games regularly who will now have to make a choice between the 2. that's where the tug of war for viewership will be.

If there were people who didn't know are care about Dota 2, but watched TB and loved SC2, they now know about a 2.6 million dollar event happening that day. To quote EGIncontrol when talking about TI-Prime:

"I don't know shit about Dota, but I will watch to see a nerd win a million dollars."

But it's not like he will watch dota from the beginning to the end though. He can tune in and watch it now and then, but if you expect a person who only find out about dota2 one week before TI3 to watch the tournament that they mostly will not understand that much one week in a row, you'll have a very bad time. I suspect Incontrol will only tune in to watch some important matches, or the final, he will still spend most of the time watching sc2.

People who don't know about dota2 and like sc2 will most likely continue to watch sc2, and will be aware of dota2 and TI3 to tune in from time to time, that's about it. Hype can only carry you so far until you get bored because of lack of knowledge.


If I got it right from the video I'd say you guys are missing the point.
Blizzard are cramming three regional finals back to back, which is already bad enough because nobody is going to be able to watch that much content, and just because its Blizzard we're talking about here - they also schedule it on the same date as the International, which is damn stupid anyway you look at it.
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
July 24 2013 18:16 GMT
#67984
Other casters are more knowledgeable, some don't miss a single action of interest, others have a sexy radio voice but when it comes to hype and The International I only wanna listen to Tobi, noone else can transmit the feelings he does.
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babishh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada965 Posts
July 24 2013 18:17 GMT
#67985
On July 25 2013 02:15 Fwizzz wrote:
Time flies so fast. 2 weeks more till TI3


two weeks? qualifiers are starting next week on saturday, we all know how they won't be taken too seriously as happened before in other tournaments, but if the level of competition is high enough i'd say we'll see some pretty solid matches.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 24 2013 18:19 GMT
#67986
Prior to Qpad, waga did quite a bit of casting with Tobi.

Obviously awhile back, but they have cast a lot of total games together.
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KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
July 24 2013 18:34 GMT
#67987
lot of people talking about necro carry ... what kind of items would you get ?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 24 2013 18:39 GMT
#67988
On July 25 2013 03:34 KDot2 wrote:
lot of people talking about necro carry ... what kind of items would you get ?

Mostly team defensive items. Mek, Pipe, Shiva, etc. Sheep at a point where you can afford to get one without risk of sacrificing too much survivability, Agha at the point where death times are long enough, you expect targets to want to buyback into fights.
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
July 24 2013 20:07 GMT
#67989
On July 25 2013 03:17 babishh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 02:15 Fwizzz wrote:
Time flies so fast. 2 weeks more till TI3


two weeks? qualifiers are starting next week on saturday, we all know how they won't be taken too seriously as happened before in other tournaments, but if the level of competition is high enough i'd say we'll see some pretty solid matches.

the qualifiers were like a month ago ?
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
July 24 2013 20:09 GMT
#67990
Group stages maybe? I don't know.
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
July 24 2013 20:11 GMT
#67991
On July 25 2013 03:34 KDot2 wrote:
lot of people talking about necro carry ... what kind of items would you get ?

If you are really good with your positioning or you don't want to team fight then Shadowblade, dagon, eblade else Yango's build and you can also add a bloodstone.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
July 24 2013 20:12 GMT
#67992
On July 25 2013 05:09 Najda wrote:
Group stages maybe? I don't know.

The International Official Schedule
Group Stage Days
August 3: 9AM -> 10PM
August 4: 9AM -> 10PM
August 5: 9AM -> 2PM

Main Event at Benaroya Hall
August 7: 12PM-> ~9-11PM
August 8: 12PM-> ~9-11PM
August 9: 12PM-> ~9-11PM
August 10: 12PM-> ~7-11PM
August 11: 12PM-> ~6-9 PM
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 20:18:19
July 24 2013 20:17 GMT
#67993
Bloodstone isn't good for Necrolyte because he doesn't really use the growing mana regen as well as other BStone users. You have one spell that's kind of spammable in fights + Scythe, and you're guaranteed 600 mana back from a Scythe kill. In the sustain case, you can rely on Sadist to give you over-time HP/mana restore.

If you just want HP/mana, there are ways to get those stats that are better for Necrolyte.
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ZiggyStardust
Profile Joined May 2013
119 Posts
July 24 2013 20:19 GMT
#67994
Well, Tobi should really pray that mouz don't get deep into the tournament otherwise I don't see a way he is casting the finals over the BTS crew.
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
July 24 2013 20:28 GMT
#67995
On July 25 2013 05:17 TheYango wrote:
Bloodstone isn't good for Necrolyte because he doesn't really use the growing mana regen as well as other BStone users. You have one spell that's kind of spammable in fights + Scythe, and you're guaranteed 600 mana back from a Scythe kill. In the sustain case, you can rely on Sadist to give you over-time HP/mana restore.

If you just want HP/mana, there are ways to get those stats that are better for Necrolyte.

It makes him harder to kill and gives really good sustain it's good in general. Also you can't forget about heal on death and faster respawn. I would say it's ok item on him but as you said there are better choices in many situations.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 20:43:05
July 24 2013 20:41 GMT
#67996
The thing is, HP is generally not actually the best survivability stat for Necrolyte because the amount of healing he gets is so high (particularly since Sadist restores HP in addition to Mana now). The best boost to his survivability for most of the game isn't raw HP, but items that increase the value of his HP and healing--armor and magic resistance, which is why Mek, Pipe, and Shiva's are favored over raw HP items most of the time.

There's also the fact that he has 0 base armor and pretty weak Agi growth, meaning that by midgame, armor is by far his biggest bottleneck in terms of survivability.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 24 2013 20:57 GMT
#67997
I actually pretty strongly agree, Bloodstone is pretty meh on Necrolyte, you don't even need it to sustain farm because you can usually rely on autos > pulse to kill a wave and immediately get all that mana back, if not more

He needs Mek for sure, and Shivas is pretty good

Personally, i like to buy Aghs on, even if its a little weak damage wise, at the right time using can just win a game
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 24 2013 20:58 GMT
#67998
The thing about Necro is you have to remember how beastly his regen is during fights if he gets kills. That long with his healing means you don't really want to get items that are mainly for regen.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 24 2013 21:00 GMT
#67999
On July 25 2013 05:58 Numy wrote:
The thing about Necro is you have to remember how beastly his regen is during fights if he gets kills. That long with his healing means you don't really want to get items that are mainly for regen.

And you can make sure you get 1 kill with Scythe
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
July 24 2013 21:07 GMT
#68000
If you're playing vs a high amount of physical damage ghost scepter is a must have. This ofcourse is true for many heroes, but especially on necrolyte.
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