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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
July 24 2013 04:40 GMT
#67861
On July 24 2013 13:34 Shaella wrote:
Solo que is fast now because by default if you que solo, you're sent into it



Interesting change; will I still be put into games with other non-solo queuers as well?
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
July 24 2013 04:44 GMT
#67862
On July 24 2013 13:40 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 13:34 Shaella wrote:
Solo que is fast now because by default if you que solo, you're sent into it



Interesting change; will I still be put into games with other non-solo queuers as well?


iirc if you queue solo you will be put into both queue, unless you tick the box that say solo queue only on the find match setting
Put quote here for readability
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
July 24 2013 05:13 GMT
#67863
On July 24 2013 13:44 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 13:40 Najda wrote:
On July 24 2013 13:34 Shaella wrote:
Solo que is fast now because by default if you que solo, you're sent into it



Interesting change; will I still be put into games with other non-solo queuers as well?


iirc if you queue solo you will be put into both queue, unless you tick the box that say solo queue only on the find match setting


I didn't see this in the patch notes...

Can you opt out of solo? I play solo, but half the advantage of it was that you only got people who intentionally wanted to be there, so everyone tended to be more communicative and more interested in working with each other because everyone knew there weren't any stacks doing their own thing.

I've noticed faster queue times but a lot less communication since the patches. That makes me sad.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 06:16:47
July 24 2013 06:11 GMT
#67864
I have noticed slower que times if anything and others have reported it too(I know Maelk and Envy complained about it on Twitter if its worth anything).
WriterXiao8~~
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
July 24 2013 06:13 GMT
#67865
On July 24 2013 15:11 Kipsate wrote:
I have noticed slower que times if anything.

Yeah, it's been happening for the highest end of queueing. I think lower levels are fine, but might be wrong.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 24 2013 06:56 GMT
#67866
anyone else getting weird abandons during picks? happened to me 5 games in a row a few hours ago so i just gave up and played something else
:)
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
July 24 2013 07:10 GMT
#67867
On July 24 2013 15:56 synapse wrote:
anyone else getting weird abandons during picks? happened to me 5 games in a row a few hours ago so i just gave up and played something else

Kipsate has been having this issue, as have I. It's pretty unusual.
Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 07:22:50
July 24 2013 07:21 GMT
#67868
Anyone wanna let me know how to play SandKing itemwise + skill wise?
我是冠军
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
July 24 2013 07:21 GMT
#67869
On July 24 2013 15:13 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 15:11 Kipsate wrote:
I have noticed slower que times if anything.

Yeah, it's been happening for the highest end of queueing. I think lower levels are fine, but might be wrong.

that explains why i've had long queue times
tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
July 24 2013 07:23 GMT
#67870
Love the new omni portrait
(⌐■_■) Like a boss
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
July 24 2013 07:25 GMT
#67871
On July 24 2013 16:21 Adrian_mx wrote:
Anyone wanna let me know how to play SandKing itemwise + skill wise?


skill burrow strike
buy blink dagger
hide in trees
win
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 24 2013 07:30 GMT
#67872
Sand King is fun.
+ Show Spoiler +

Burrowstrike first. Always aim manually a bit behind the guy you want to hit.
At least 1 level sandstorm, but maxing it second is recommended.
Use sandstorm when you're in trouble(especially after you just burrowstriked into trouble). Relax and open this vid.
2 ways to cast epicenter: Channel and use blink dagger to get in. Or burrowstrike everyone who could stop you and immediately begin channeling.
Passive makes things you have attacked 8 seconds before their death explode in a small aoe when they die.

Get blink dagger, to double the range from which you can burrowstrike people and to epicenter/dagger.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
July 24 2013 07:31 GMT
#67873
On July 24 2013 16:21 Adrian_mx wrote:
Anyone wanna let me know how to play SandKing itemwise + skill wise?

Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
July 24 2013 07:32 GMT
#67874
On July 24 2013 16:21 Adrian_mx wrote:
Anyone wanna let me know how to play SandKing itemwise + skill wise?

Max Burrowstrike is a must.
Sandstorm/Caustic is dependent on the situation, generally you would max sandstorm first then decide either you add caustic for farming or skipping it for stats.

Items are easy.

Arcane/Blink/Veil or Aghs....or Ghost Sceptor if you need to live thru right clicks. Basically support items.

Wards all those goes without saying,SK is a position 4 support. He doesn't need items besides a decently timed blink, once he gets the blink he can go to position 5.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 07:35:35
July 24 2013 07:35 GMT
#67875
i think it is noteworthy that chuan plays sand king with maxed burrow strike, one level in sandstorm (at level 2), epicenter and stats.
however in like caustic finale more in pubs to get a faster blink dagger
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 24 2013 07:46 GMT
#67876
I tihnk with the recent fade time buff, you should keep the sandstorm at level one almost in every scenario. If you think you're going to be counterpushing, pushing or farming a lot, you might as well level up caustic, it should do a better job at clearing creepwaves than a leveled up Sandstorm. Otherwise, just take stats.

Also, what skill build does Pirate (the guy with 2k sandking pub games) usually do? I'm pretty sure he always prefers eblade over veil/Aga, but I have no idea about the skill build.
super gg
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
July 24 2013 07:52 GMT
#67877
but you can't do sick wodota jukes with level 1 sandstorm

(due to cd)
ffxiv enjoyer
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
July 24 2013 07:54 GMT
#67878
as far as i know, agha doesnt make the most sense in terms of damage increase on SK anyway. veil has a higher netgain in damage. however, i dont want to do the math right know and just wait for yango to wake up.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 07:59:43
July 24 2013 07:58 GMT
#67879
Veil does give you more damage than Aghanims. It even costs less, but it doesn't give you a load of HP and mana like Aghanims. Not sure how good eblade is in terms of damage.

Also, Aghanims is the easiest item to use. Using Veil is annoying.
super gg
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 08:09:14
July 24 2013 08:06 GMT
#67880
+ Show Spoiler [math stuff found off of google] +
Sand king ulti

lvl2
(8*110) + 280 (Stun) = 1160
(10*110) + 280 (Stun) = 1380 (Ulti with aghanims)

On a regular hero with no magic resitstance items:

Veil of Discord: 1160 * (1-0.25) * (1+0.25) = 1088
Aghanims : 1380 * (1-0.25) = 1035

On a hero with Hood

Veil of Discord: 1160 * (1-0.25) * (1-0.3) * (1+0.25) = 761.25
Aghanims : 1380 * (1-0.25) * (1-0.3) = 725

On a Hero with natural resistance (Ex Antimage)
lvl4 spell shield 50% Magic resistance

Veild of Discord : 1160 * (1-0.25) * (1-0.5) * (1+0.25) = 544
Aghanims : 1380 * (1-0.25) * (1-0.5) = 518


Aside from just pure damage terms, you have to consider other factors though. Agha gives you a lot more tankiness than a veil of discord and gives you a 20 second reduction on the cooldown as well. If you have other allies with strong nukes, veil really is a much stronger pickup.
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