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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 21 2013 21:31 GMT
#67501
The biggest problem with Midas is that it doesn't pay for itself before you have to sell it a lot of time
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 21 2013 21:31 GMT
#67502
On July 22 2013 06:20 LAN-f34r wrote:
I don't get why so many people get midas on alch. An extra ~100 gpm on someone who can't farm is amazing. But an extra ~100 gpm on someone who is perhaps the fastest farmer in the game is just not that useful.

Extra levels are hugely important for him because you want to level every skill and also getting level 7 (or whenever you choose to max Greed) faster will help him farm even more gold. It's also a decent stat item for him.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 21:51:37
July 21 2013 21:47 GMT
#67503
Can anyone explain to me what just happened in kaipi vs fnatic?
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From what I saw Fnatic crushed the laning stage and a were still doing good for a few fights after laning ended. Alch had decent farm and then all of a sudden they just decided to stop fighting as 5 and split push. This led to people getting repeatedly picked off and Kaipi was back in the game eventually transitioning into a rosh for Kaipi. So my question is why in the world did Fnatic decide to stop fighting? I know their split push was ok but why just throw away a pick with bh if they were going to go for this style? Am I just remembering the game terribly?

Also why didn't Kaipi push top as soon as the got the rosh after the raxx trade?
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 21 2013 22:04 GMT
#67504
Level 16 is very big for Alchemist. Midas is basically bought for the experience gain.
super gg
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 21 2013 22:11 GMT
#67505
id buy it for the levels and do it for the ratchets
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 21 2013 22:12 GMT
#67506
The problem is that the Midas won't give u nearly enough exp to offset the increased exp from either clearing stacked camps/ ancients ala Bfury or being useful as a ganker with lothars
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 21 2013 22:23 GMT
#67507
I also think Battlefury is better, but many pro players seem to disagree, so I guess there must be something about it.
super gg
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
July 21 2013 22:23 GMT
#67508
Fear-sama playing Osu. Sugoi desunay sensei <3
Skol
PSIDefenseUp
Profile Joined January 2011
United States251 Posts
July 21 2013 22:28 GMT
#67509
Trying to climb the ranks to be the most anime Dota.
EternaLAniMe1991
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 21 2013 22:54 GMT
#67510
I'm honestly in the camp of bfury alch as well, situationally

Like if you have freefarm, go bfury, otherwise you probably need to transition into fighting earlier and the shadowblade is more beneficial
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 21 2013 22:56 GMT
#67511
Even if you have a super fast battlefury, your damage and mobility is not good enough to go and clear all the jungle camp and come back to lane as fast as you like, so you are not take full advantage of bf in low level. If you get bf and still stay at lane, I think midas is better. You can get midas, let your support stack the camp, and when you have bf, your damage should be good enough to clear jungle pretty fast.

Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 21 2013 23:07 GMT
#67512
>getting midas and bfury

Are you trying to have no impact on the game at all for 40 minutes?
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
sc_a.M
Profile Joined April 2013
420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 23:45:30
July 21 2013 23:45 GMT
#67513
On July 22 2013 08:07 Shaella wrote:
>getting midas and bfury

Are you trying to have no impact on the game at all for 40 minutes?

1100 gpm. The highest of all heroes I have ever seen. I think 36 min with max items (in a pro game).
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 21 2013 23:50 GMT
#67514
On July 22 2013 08:07 Shaella wrote:
>getting midas and bfury

Are you trying to have no impact on the game at all for 40 minutes?

since its alch its entirely possible to get both by 12 minutes...
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 22 2013 00:31 GMT
#67515
On July 22 2013 08:45 sc_a.M wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 08:07 Shaella wrote:
>getting midas and bfury

Are you trying to have no impact on the game at all for 40 minutes?

1100 gpm. The highest of all heroes I have ever seen. I think 36 min with max items (in a pro game).


i got over 1100 gpm with just a radiance u dont need both
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
July 22 2013 00:42 GMT
#67516
On July 22 2013 09:31 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 08:45 sc_a.M wrote:
On July 22 2013 08:07 Shaella wrote:
>getting midas and bfury

Are you trying to have no impact on the game at all for 40 minutes?

1100 gpm. The highest of all heroes I have ever seen. I think 36 min with max items (in a pro game).


i got over 1100 gpm with just a radiance u dont need both

Yeah, and you maxed greed first you jerk

jk max greed first best build.

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Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
July 22 2013 00:44 GMT
#67517
i think the main reason to get midas over bfury is if your team ever needs you randomly to tp in and cloud/stun or whatever hero u are, you can just use ur midas and its on cooldown and u get the value out of it without losing as much momentum. battlefury needs u to be killing creeps constantly, but could be faster. its a tough call i guess
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
July 22 2013 00:46 GMT
#67518
If you're planning on afk farming better pick AM. I can see BF on Alch if I had an exceptionally good start and want to guarantee the game ends before 40min.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 22 2013 00:47 GMT
#67519
the best build is for your entire team to pool you regen at the start and baby sit you by pulling as many camps as possible, and maxing empower, attack speed aura, and vampiric aura first
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
July 22 2013 00:57 GMT
#67520
On July 22 2013 09:47 rabidch wrote:
the best build is for your entire team to pool you regen at the start and baby sit you by pulling as many camps as possible, and maxing empower, attack speed aura, and vampiric aura first


How the hell is a SK, beastmaster and magnus comp going to babysit you... 4melee too stronk.
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