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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On July 21 2013 02:42 TheYango wrote: You can actually figure out the relative skill of several people in a group by playing around with the balanced shuffle feature in a custom lobby, but that takes way more effort than should be necessary. That shovel button... Honestly it's so bad.... | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:01 Talron wrote: Something different in between the 9001st discussion about ranked MM and visible ranking and shit: I think the spectator UI needs a bit of improvement. Nothing big, but just some minor tweaks. I'm thinking of an option like there's in sc2, in which the casters are able to "remove" the UI, so spectators can see the whole fight happening. In addition to that, something I've seen in HoN streams is they have the option to zoom out even further than the regular zoom, so you can even see more of hugescale and spread out fights. Especially in comparison to HoN and LoL I find their UIs overall more informative. We also have things like gold/exp difference, gpm, cs, k/d/a, gpm, current gold, names of players, ulti CD/enough mana [that green dot at the bottom of each hero portrait line up at the top of the screen] and some more, but usually you can only see two or maybe three of those things. Casters can't permanently switch between all that with just the one little window on the top left. Some info also only gets to the viewers when casters select the specific player in order to see more detailed info about him. I know ingame tickets are a big role in this as well, because if I want to know certain things I could check those myself. I feel the UI is somewhat stacked for spectating and needs improvement, tho I don't have problems with the UI when playing. Despite the multi unit control, which is imo quite horrendous. Please note that I'm not saying something along the lines "volvo disband Dota2 UI, HoN/LoL superior MOBA" For reference the spectator UIs of said games. + Show Spoiler + You can already zoom out more than default, at least under dotatv, dunno how it is ingame | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:00 BlitzerSC wrote: I don't understand why people don't want a ranked queue. If you don't want to get ranked, then just keep playing the normal queue. Nobody will get forced to play competitive mode. Right now we have a bunch of crybabies who are scared of a number in a online videogame and don't want to let people, who like seeing numbers, have fun. As has been said before, the very existence of a ranked mode affects people's perceptions of the non-ranked mode, how people play in it, and whether people play in it at all. It's possible to develop features that remedy the fact that normal queue is probably negatively affected by the existence of a ranked queue, but it's not so easy to just say "just implement ranked, nobody has to play it" because even the people who choose not to play ranked will have their gameplay experience fundamentally affected by having one in the game unless you design the system properly. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:08 TheYango wrote: As has been said before, the very existence of a ranked mode affects people's perceptions of the non-ranked mode, how people play in it, and whether people play in it at all. It's possible to develop features that remedy the fact that normal queue is probably negatively affected by the existence of a ranked queue, but it's not so easy to just say "just implement ranked, nobody has to play it" because even the people who choose not to play ranked will have their gameplay experience fundamentally affected by having one in the game unless you design the system properly. I have faith in volvo to come up with a good solution | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:08 TheYango wrote: As has been said before, the very existence of a ranked mode affects people's perceptions of the non-ranked mode, how people play in it, and whether people play in it at all. It's possible to develop features that remedy the fact that normal queue is probably negatively affected by the existence of a ranked queue, but it's not so easy to just say "just implement ranked, nobody has to play it" because even the people who choose not to play ranked will have their gameplay experience fundamentally affected by having one in the game unless you design the system properly. Except right now the perception of the non-ranked mode is already absolute shit. You try to tell anyone you even REMOTELY take matchmaking seriously, you'll get one of two responses: * Go make a team and do team MM you faggot * Stop taking it so seriously its just matchmaking. The perception of the current MM system is already as shit as it would be if there was ranked and non-ranked, and at least then, the people that would want to play ranked could. Right now they're just met with two completely ignorant responses, all for the sake of protecting people's egos. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 21 2013 02:45 rob.au wrote: Believe it or not, but in the history of the Internet there have been a lot more than eight competitive games. There have been hundreds of competitive games. Most of the popular ones were FPS and these used a public server and clan-based system. This actually gave people an opportunity to develop friendships and play with the same people every week. IMO this is infinitely superior to getting matched with 4 people on the ladder that you're not likely to talk to again (even if you add them to friends list). Majority of competitive games? bw/sc2/wc3/hon/lol/halo/guild wars/wow On July 21 2013 02:45 rob.au wrote:I don't even understand where you go to get flamed? do you join irc channels and announce to everyone you are bronze league sc2 or something? The forums. But that's exactly the point, isn't it? There isn't anywhere to go except the forums because all the incentive is to work on your league ranking. You get the forums and there isn't any infrastructure besides that except Twitch chat full of 13-year-olds spamming an ASCII penis. (The in-game chat client is always lonlier than space, and I'm not even going to mention the ghost town of IRC...) | ||
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
Not that other modes ranked make any sense though. (Ranked All Pick ? What a joke) | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 21 2013 02:20 Comeh wrote: I think the idea is to try and kite the golem while everyone else focuses it down. It never happens though. specifically i was playing solo mid warlock vs a nyx. i get ganked by a naix who is set up by impale. why did i get a double kill there you ask? because i ran in circles around my warlock golem while naix chased me and got killed, while bonds finished off the nyx. i dont get it. why did that work. On July 21 2013 03:15 ch33psh33p wrote: Except right now the perception of the non-ranked mode is already absolute shit. You try to tell anyone you even REMOTELY take matchmaking seriously, you'll get one of two responses: * Go make a team and do team MM you faggot * Stop taking it so seriously its just matchmaking. The perception of the current MM system is already as shit as it would be if there was ranked and non-ranked, and at least then, the people that would want to play ranked could. Right now they're just met with two completely ignorant responses, all for the sake of protecting people's egos. You're trying to make a pub serious. you don't go on Bnet and join a dota room expecting a serious game. so stop doing it in dota 2. life gets better. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:26 ArcticRaven wrote: I feel making the (hypothetical) ranked system only CM would help a lot in that regard. Not that other modes ranked make any sense though. (Ranked All Pick ? What a joke) there's so few people that play cm it wouldnt be worth it I think | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:26 ArcticRaven wrote: I feel making the (hypothetical) ranked system only CM would help a lot in that regard. Not that other modes ranked make any sense though. (Ranked All Pick ? What a joke) CM actually makes less sense than all-pick because drafting is totally meaningless in a mid-level game where you have 4 random players and nobody has any idea who plays what. All-pick restricted to the -CM hero pool is is the most sensible (or, even better, -XL or -LM if they get implemented) because as much as people like to bitch about "OP" heroes, none of the ones in -CM are game-breaking enough at the pub level to matter (obviously there's stuff like Phoenix and Arc Warden when we get the full release, but that's a completely different monster). | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:36 TheYango wrote: CM actually makes less sense than all-pick because drafting is totally meaningless in a mid-level game where you have 4 random players and nobody has any idea who plays what. All-pick restricted to the -CM hero pool is is the most sensible (or, even better, -XL or -LM if they get implemented) because as much as people like to bitch about "OP" heroes, none of the ones in -CM are game-breaking enough at the pub level to matter (obviously there's stuff like Phoenix and Arc Warden when we get the full release, but that's a completely different monster). The issue with AP is that picking faster matters. Even if you don't believe a single hero is that OP, a full stack insta-picking an OP comp definatelly matters. You won't be always queuing alone. Adding visible MMR to the solo queue wouldn't be that big of a deal, but people hardly play solo queue anyway. Most people want visible ranks in regular matchmaking, and I don't see how regular matchmaking could be competitive with AP. Perhaps it would need to be something similar to -CM, but without a captain and maybe even without bans. Isn't that how the other games do it? | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:54 Zorkmid wrote: This game so needs a surrender option. So much time wasted. This has been discussed extensively. Search the forums if you want to read up on it but there won't be any surrender button in dota. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On July 21 2013 03:54 Zorkmid wrote: This game so needs a surrender option. So much time wasted. From one topic that's been discussed to death to another topic that's been discussed to death, yay! | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
So one player picks a hero, other player picks a hero, etc. Basically like RD but with the full hero pool instead of a limited draft. Do that with only CM heroes and it's probably better than most other options for mid level games. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On July 21 2013 02:39 SKC wrote: Brood is by far the worst hero to play with by concept, for me. Any hero that forces you to 4v5 for long periods of time is bad in pubs, and Broods often end up ganked far more often without any punishment since the other 4 players don't put the same kind of pressure as in a pro game. There is always the terrible random meepo, etc., but assuming the hero is being played decently, I just hate brood. i agree on brood although i really like the hero but... its the only hero in the pool with no early killing power, no real lategame and no out of nowhere pushing power. she also needs a solo lane to do anything.in the midgame and if the brood is bad, she just feeds 20 spiderlings to gyro every 4 minutes or so. second is enchantress. not because the hero is bad, but because most of the times i see someone playing enchantress its the midas 20 minutes in the jungle enchantress. | ||
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