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On July 21 2013 01:03 SilverStar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 00:50 MrCon wrote:
One important topic to discuss would be why dota observers are so bad.
Look how often in laning phase they're observing a team about to engage and they just switch to someone freefarming while the health bar on top of the screen start dropping like crazy. It seems most of the time they don't see what they're looking at. As I type that, Mineski's Alchemist start channeling his stun under the observer's nose, and the observer goes to the lone farming Orange's gyrocopter. It's like he didn't notice what he was observing.
TLDR : Dota observers are fucking awful.
I love broad sweeping statements... Not all observers are fucking awful.
Well, GD had a dedicated observer I think, who was good. So I'll be more specific and say that they're all awful but him.
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Have to say, Tobi has really improved in this regard, I think he's for sure one of the better observers now.
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97 degrees. 96% humidity. To hot to play dota 2. If I click that fast my mouse is covered in sweat.
So, on to Dishonored, till it cools down.
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On July 21 2013 01:03 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:01 Testuser wrote:On July 21 2013 00:50 MrCon wrote:
One important topic to discuss would be why dota observers are so bad.
Look how often in laning phase they're observing a team about to engage and they just switch to someone freefarming while the health bar on top of the screen start dropping like crazy. It seems most of the time they don't see what they're looking at. As I type that, Mineski's Alchemist start channeling his stun under the observer's nose, and the observer goes to the lone farming Orange's gyrocopter. It's like he didn't notice what he was observing.
TLDR : Dota observers are fucking awful.
haha, I love when you see a situation clearly brewing, and the caster just rolls the camera somewhere else, first blood happens of cam and the caster is like "ooops, sorry guys, missed that one" or trying to save it by "..... aaaaaaaaand here we see a first blood top by X, and Y on Z. I didn't catch what happened but I assume it must've been A and B and then finished by C. Great advantage for Team R now." zzz The amount of times you see casters actually look at a roaming support going towards mid lane to gank and then switch the camera to the free farming carry and miss the gank is ridiculous.
yeah ... I guess it's understandable that they have a tough time casting and controling the camera, but ... they should try to pick up dedicated camera guys
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Do new accounts have to play the tutorial?
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On July 21 2013 01:05 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:03 SilverStar wrote:On July 21 2013 00:50 MrCon wrote:
One important topic to discuss would be why dota observers are so bad.
Look how often in laning phase they're observing a team about to engage and they just switch to someone freefarming while the health bar on top of the screen start dropping like crazy. It seems most of the time they don't see what they're looking at. As I type that, Mineski's Alchemist start channeling his stun under the observer's nose, and the observer goes to the lone farming Orange's gyrocopter. It's like he didn't notice what he was observing.
TLDR : Dota observers are fucking awful.
I love broad sweeping statements... Not all observers are fucking awful. Well, GD had a dedicated observer I think, who was good. So I'll be more specific and say that they're all awful but him.
That is funny, cause both skrff and weppas have been criticized the most out of all observers
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On July 21 2013 01:11 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:03 Gosi wrote:On July 21 2013 01:01 Testuser wrote:On July 21 2013 00:50 MrCon wrote:
One important topic to discuss would be why dota observers are so bad.
Look how often in laning phase they're observing a team about to engage and they just switch to someone freefarming while the health bar on top of the screen start dropping like crazy. It seems most of the time they don't see what they're looking at. As I type that, Mineski's Alchemist start channeling his stun under the observer's nose, and the observer goes to the lone farming Orange's gyrocopter. It's like he didn't notice what he was observing.
TLDR : Dota observers are fucking awful.
haha, I love when you see a situation clearly brewing, and the caster just rolls the camera somewhere else, first blood happens of cam and the caster is like "ooops, sorry guys, missed that one" or trying to save it by "..... aaaaaaaaand here we see a first blood top by X, and Y on Z. I didn't catch what happened but I assume it must've been A and B and then finished by C. Great advantage for Team R now." zzz The amount of times you see casters actually look at a roaming support going towards mid lane to gank and then switch the camera to the free farming carry and miss the gank is ridiculous. yeah ... I guess it's understandable that they have a tough time casting and controling the camera, but ... they should try to pick up dedicated camera guys
I always love when you see on the minimap a clear fight happening or looking at the top bar and seeing HPs rapidly drop, yet the observer is off talking about how annoying mudgolems are or something.
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On July 21 2013 01:02 lightsentry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 23:42 rob.au wrote:On July 20 2013 09:54 Doomblaze wrote:On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them. I love you sera Can we sticky this to shut everyone up? Isn't casual mode no gold loss on death... etc? I think in hon's casual mode towers also give experience which is weird but kinda makes sense for casual. That being said hon has midwars which does work, is fairly casual and is pretty fun and itd be interesting to see that in dota 2.
My point is just I don't know why some people on TL act like it's some scientifc community census that visable rating is bad. Even in the main thread from ages ago its basically 50/50 in the poll http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344795 .
I don't see why they wouldn't add this option that a large contigent of the community wants. Especially when you look at how LoL with it's supposidly casual playerbase is the biggest game in the world with this option in place.
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On July 21 2013 01:14 rob.au wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:02 lightsentry wrote:On July 20 2013 23:42 rob.au wrote:On July 20 2013 09:54 Doomblaze wrote:On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them. I love you sera Can we sticky this to shut everyone up? Isn't casual mode no gold loss on death... etc? I think in hon's casual mode towers also give experience which is weird but kinda makes sense for casual. That being said hon has midwars which does work, is fairly casual and is pretty fun and itd be interesting to see that in dota 2. My point is just I don't know why some people on TL act like it's some scientifc community census that visable rating is bad. Even in the main thread from ages ago its basically 50/50 in the poll http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344795 . I don't see why they wouldn't add this option that a large contigent of the community wants. Especially when you look at how LoL with it's supposidly casual playerbase is the biggest game in the world with this option in place.
its because as can be seen by valves policy on shit talking they don't want to hurt anyones feelings. adding visible rating just gives people more ammo. instead of them just playing bad you can call them shit from the start because of their low rating
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On July 21 2013 01:14 rob.au wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:02 lightsentry wrote:On July 20 2013 23:42 rob.au wrote:On July 20 2013 09:54 Doomblaze wrote:On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them. I love you sera Can we sticky this to shut everyone up? Isn't casual mode no gold loss on death... etc? I think in hon's casual mode towers also give experience which is weird but kinda makes sense for casual. That being said hon has midwars which does work, is fairly casual and is pretty fun and itd be interesting to see that in dota 2. My point is just I don't know why some people on TL act like it's some scientifc community census that visable rating is bad. Even in the main thread from ages ago its basically 50/50 in the poll http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344795 . I don't see why they wouldn't add this option that a large contigent of the community wants. Especially when you look at how LoL with it's supposidly casual playerbase is the biggest game in the world with this option in place.
Because
A: It's Valve's game.
B: They believe that the community might not always be right about things.
C: 50% of the community also DOESNT want this feature.
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On July 21 2013 01:25 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:14 rob.au wrote:On July 21 2013 01:02 lightsentry wrote:On July 20 2013 23:42 rob.au wrote:On July 20 2013 09:54 Doomblaze wrote:On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them. I love you sera Can we sticky this to shut everyone up? Isn't casual mode no gold loss on death... etc? I think in hon's casual mode towers also give experience which is weird but kinda makes sense for casual. That being said hon has midwars which does work, is fairly casual and is pretty fun and itd be interesting to see that in dota 2. My point is just I don't know why some people on TL act like it's some scientifc community census that visable rating is bad. Even in the main thread from ages ago its basically 50/50 in the poll http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344795 . I don't see why they wouldn't add this option that a large contigent of the community wants. Especially when you look at how LoL with it's supposidly casual playerbase is the biggest game in the world with this option in place. Because A: It's Valve's game. B: They believe that the community might not always be right about things. C: 50% of the community also DOESNT want this feature.
have they not implemeted the vhigh / high / normal rate? I mean, they should make that easier accessable, but the exact numbers don't matter so much anyway. Even though I would certainly feed less if they had a k/d rate^^
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can someone please explain to me how windrunners ult with aghnims work? like do i need agh if i want like deso to counts aswell or?
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On July 21 2013 01:25 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:14 rob.au wrote:On July 21 2013 01:02 lightsentry wrote:On July 20 2013 23:42 rob.au wrote:On July 20 2013 09:54 Doomblaze wrote:On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them. I love you sera Can we sticky this to shut everyone up? Isn't casual mode no gold loss on death... etc? I think in hon's casual mode towers also give experience which is weird but kinda makes sense for casual. That being said hon has midwars which does work, is fairly casual and is pretty fun and itd be interesting to see that in dota 2. My point is just I don't know why some people on TL act like it's some scientifc community census that visable rating is bad. Even in the main thread from ages ago its basically 50/50 in the poll http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344795 . I don't see why they wouldn't add this option that a large contigent of the community wants. Especially when you look at how LoL with it's supposidly casual playerbase is the biggest game in the world with this option in place. Because A: It's Valve's game. B: They believe that the community might not always be right about things. C: 50% of the community also DOESNT want this feature.
Yeah the community not right about things. That's why Valve thought it be a great idea to change a bunch of different mechanics when they made CS:S because they felt it was silly to have those mechanics. Valve's not the be all end all, and they have been wrong before.
And he never said 50% of the community wants it, he said a large contingent of the community wants it, which is true. If it ends up that an open ladder ends up being successful, Valve's gonna have some issues. One being that everyone is playing on the other ladder instead of the in game matchmaking system, and two, there's gonna be the same issue that everyone else keeps parroting about. People are gonna be saying 'you're shitty I play in XYZ league while you play Valve MM lululululul.'
Instead of ever coming to that situation (which I do believe could happen in the near future, because people are kind of fed up with Valve's garbage MM system and lack of ladder/rating), Valve should just bite the bullet and implement it themselves, while also solving the 'toxic' community problem that everyone always seemingly bitches about.
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On July 21 2013 01:30 sc_a.M wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:25 Comeh wrote:On July 21 2013 01:14 rob.au wrote:On July 21 2013 01:02 lightsentry wrote:On July 20 2013 23:42 rob.au wrote:On July 20 2013 09:54 Doomblaze wrote:On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them. I love you sera Can we sticky this to shut everyone up? Isn't casual mode no gold loss on death... etc? I think in hon's casual mode towers also give experience which is weird but kinda makes sense for casual. That being said hon has midwars which does work, is fairly casual and is pretty fun and itd be interesting to see that in dota 2. My point is just I don't know why some people on TL act like it's some scientifc community census that visable rating is bad. Even in the main thread from ages ago its basically 50/50 in the poll http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344795 . I don't see why they wouldn't add this option that a large contigent of the community wants. Especially when you look at how LoL with it's supposidly casual playerbase is the biggest game in the world with this option in place. Because A: It's Valve's game. B: They believe that the community might not always be right about things. C: 50% of the community also DOESNT want this feature. have they not implemeted the vhigh / high / normal rate? I mean, they should make that easier accessable, but the exact numbers don't matter so much anyway. Even though I would certainly feed less if they had a k/d rate^^
visible k/d rate is probably the worst thing in existance
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On July 21 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:
And he never said 50% of the community wants it, he said a large contingent of the community wants it, which is true. If it ends up that an open ladder ends up being successful, Valve's gonna have some issues. One being that everyone is playing on the other ladder instead of the in game matchmaking system, and two, there's gonna be the same issue that everyone else keeps parroting about. People are gonna be saying 'you're shitty I play in XYZ league while you play Valve MM lululululul.'
Instead of ever coming to that situation (which I do believe could happen in the near future, because people are kind of fed up with Valve's garbage MM system and lack of ladder/rating), Valve should just bite the bullet and implement it themselves, while also solving the 'toxic' community problem that everyone always seemingly bitches about.
First of all: lol
second a larger contingent of the community wants to have no ranking. so guess thats that.
IHLs valve has done nothing but support. so its not really gonna be an issue. besides if someone is saying "you're shitty i play in X IHL and you play MM" i just laugh and say "you're in valve MM right now". Rating in pubs is stupid. stop it.
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On July 21 2013 01:52 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:
And he never said 50% of the community wants it, he said a large contingent of the community wants it, which is true. If it ends up that an open ladder ends up being successful, Valve's gonna have some issues. One being that everyone is playing on the other ladder instead of the in game matchmaking system, and two, there's gonna be the same issue that everyone else keeps parroting about. People are gonna be saying 'you're shitty I play in XYZ league while you play Valve MM lululululul.'
Instead of ever coming to that situation (which I do believe could happen in the near future, because people are kind of fed up with Valve's garbage MM system and lack of ladder/rating), Valve should just bite the bullet and implement it themselves, while also solving the 'toxic' community problem that everyone always seemingly bitches about. First of all: lol second a larger contingent of the community wants to have no ranking. so guess thats that. IHLs valve has done nothing but support. so its not really gonna be an issue. besides if someone is saying "you're shitty i play in X IHL and you play MM" i just laugh and say "you're in valve MM right now". Rating in pubs is stupid. stop it.
And there is ranked MM, for teams. Really, if you can't find a team, how competitive are you at dota?
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Why is this shitty trash conversation still going on like, 24 hours after it started ?
It's always the same points and counter points, with nothing new never being added. You guys already went through everything there was to be said in the first 10 post on the subject, yet you are still going on about this.
As a lurker, it's boring to read about. 
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say what you will about tree
sst vs everyone is the real scourge of this thread
(not commenting on whos right or wrong or w/e just saying thats what it always comes down to.)
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On July 21 2013 01:56 SpiZe wrote:Why is this shitty trash conversation still going on like, 24 hours after it started ? It's always the same points and counter points, with nothing new never being added. You guys already went through everything there was to be said in the first 10 post on the subject, yet you are still going on about this. As a lurker, it's boring to read about.
I keep saying that people should just move on, but some people won't let it go.
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On July 21 2013 01:57 PassiveAce wrote:
say what you will about tree
sst vs everyone is the real scourge of this thread
(not commenting on whos right or wrong or w/e just saying thats what it always comes down to.)
ty lol.
BTW people for some reason in pubs love to play ring around the warlock golem. i don't get it. its not a fight you can win, stop it lol.
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