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On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them.
Well, not everyone wants a public mmr just to brag about how good they are. I just like the competitiveness about it, and the fact I could set a goal and hopefully achieve it. With that being said I understand the problems it would bring and I'm fine with or without it.
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I have a theory as to why they keep MMR hidden. I think that they plan to use stats from a match other than win/loss to gauge a player's skill, such as kills, deaths, assists, the timing of these, gpm, exp, etc. But if they made MMR public, then people could tell what caused changes in their MMR and abuse those, and take advantage of them to manipulate their MMR. So at the end of the day, they could make better matchmaking than anyone else, and the only way they can do that is by having a hidden rating.
It's just a thought I had, I have no evidence that they are, or will be doing this. But it would be cool if they did.
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merlini timbersaw is no rtz timbersaw thats for sure
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My personal solution would but to give people a general feeling of their skill level without actually telling them the number used for MM. Basically, SC2's system....
It gives you goals, lets you brag to others, but hopefully doesn't allow you to nitpick the players you're with.
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On July 20 2013 07:47 FinestHour wrote:
merlini timbersaw is no rtz timbersaw thats for sure
merlini isnt rly good compared to actual pros or the best of page 1 players
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nah merlinis still pretty good still lets me get some bottle charge sips before a fight so i can get a full spell combo off
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On July 20 2013 07:18 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them. Well, not everyone wants a public mmr just to brag about how good they are. I just like the competitiveness about it, and the fact I could set a goal and hopefully achieve it. With that being said I understand the problems it would bring and I'm fine with or without it.
I personally like a system like SC2. It'd still be nice to know what "league" you are in (more finely than normal, high, very high), without needing to know my exact MMR so I can tell random people I'm better than them. There should be some league to have a small metric of where you are at.
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
This ranking talk is repetitive and boring.
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Has anyone tried Dota 2 on Macs and Linux yet? Just wondering how they fare, heard a while ago that they were really buggy/slow. Wanna try to introduce a few of my noob mac friends into the game
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On July 20 2013 08:41 fuzzy_panda wrote:
Has anyone tried Dota 2 on Macs and Linux yet? Just wondering how they fare, heard a while ago that they were really buggy/slow. Wanna try to introduce a few of my noob mac friends into the game
Tried it on my linux laptop. Worked surprisingly well, but lagged during teamfights, and had less quality graphics in general. Not surprising, as im used to a full gaming rig.
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if u want a moba with a ranking system i can refer you to league of legends
the #1 most played game in the world with 32 million active players
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Valve has been open towards why they believe making MMR public is a bad idea. Back when the beta had a few thousand participants, there was a console command that revealed your MMR but was immediately removed once it was starting to grow widespread.
There's a MMR system in the game people, there has always been one.
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On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them.
I love you sera
Can we sticky this to shut everyone up?
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On July 20 2013 09:54 Doomblaze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr' (aka uber huge penile organ) link to them whenever you are mad at them. I love you sera Can we sticky this to shut everyone up?
this is what page 1 slayers already do tho everytime i slay some pros i just screenshot it then print it out and paste it to a wall in my basement where i furiously masturbate to it later
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On July 20 2013 06:48 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 06:45 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:39 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 06:34 Plansix wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. That is pretty must everyone's argument on the subject. We don't have a lot of "facts" to back up any of our claims. All of our arguments start with "Well I think that this would happen". Asking for options does not = claiming that things are going to be bastardized because of a 'ranked' que. On July 20 2013 06:38 BurningSera wrote:On July 20 2013 06:28 superstartran wrote:On July 20 2013 05:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
If you want a serious ladder system, go out and make one. set up a website, set up rules, set up the valve API to have an auto ranking system. and actually do it. Don't ask valve to bastardize dota for your personal whims. How is it bastardizing DotA when all anyone is asking for is options? That's what I clearly don't understand from everyone else from the other side. All your arguments are basically based around anecdotes and opinions. does hon's casual mode ever work.and no, we have done this for about 10000times, the problems from visible mmr outweigh its benefits. 'you are trash unless you consistently show up in the first 10 pages.', someone said that here before, which is about 90% true for the current MM. You dont actually need a visible mmr, what you need is to go print screen all your games against/with dendi/merlini stack etc and make a blog, link it on your steam name, spam people with your 'real mmr aka uber huge penile organ' whenever you are mad at them. League's casual/normal modes work out just fine. I love the backhanded insults from everyone, ranging from you, Plansix, and PrincessXizor. Mind you i have no problem whatsoever to have a visible stats, and you dont need me to remind you that everyone was against you (and a few of you who supported that visible mmr). People are simply too lazy to response on this mmr matter nowadays. and for league i have 0 experience, thats why i dont wanna go near there (discussing that 'casual' game seems pointless imo). While you know how exactly hon's casual mode failed. There are plenty of people here who like visible stats/rankings/ladder play. It's just that the most vocal are those who want to get their hands held because someone said something mean over the internet. It's funny that you call League a casual game when pretty much everyone argues against having a ranking system is exactly that, a casual gamer. TL;DR The only argument against visible stats that I have seen so far is "I don't want someone to be mean to me over the internet" when that happens regardless of visible stats or not.
There's already a rating for the only actually competitive mode in the game aka pre-arranged 5-man captains mode
Everything else is casual by definition and adding visible ratings would lead to the growth of what I see as a cancer in any competitive game, aka people who are overly obsessed with ratings and blaming other factors for their rating instead of playing the game and actually trying to get better.
edit: look at the post below for an example
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ok, either the matchmaking is still not fixed, or my MMR dipped to a new low record.... getting matched with 15 wins and 44 wins on my main account, Volvo my ass :-/. Look up to next week hearing they apologise(AGAIN).
On July 20 2013 11:00 TheYango wrote:Honestly unless Valve fixes your MMR, you'd probably get "good" games faster if you just played on a smurf. Really sucks that it happened to you though. 
thank god i dont play as much as i used to anymore. Downloaded plant vs zombie and Scrolls few weeks ago... Pretty much all i do now is rofl stomp using QoP at mid in dota2... kinda boring but not much else to do.
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United States47024 Posts
Honestly unless Valve fixes your MMR, you'd probably get "good" games faster if you just played on a smurf.
Really sucks that it happened to you though.
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On July 20 2013 09:15 Kupon3ss wrote:
Wot has 45
Wow when did that game get so popular?
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EPT
