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On July 19 2013 01:52 Plansix wrote:All right, I am looking for a solid BH build and went to dota wiki for a baseline: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bounty_HunterThat thing has battle fury in there, which I question with my very soul. Can anyone point me in the direction of a better build or justify the BF?
Dota wiki just pulls from the default suggestion in dota.
Usually a bit stiuational, but ideal is when you hit 6 - brown boots, PMS, and a bottle.
Usually, you want something like Phase, Drums, wand/stick, BKB or Vlads (I sometimes build orchid, but its a bit vulnerable), Sometimes a deso, sometimes something like manta.
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On July 19 2013 01:52 Plansix wrote:All right, I am looking for a solid BH build and went to dota wiki for a baseline: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bounty_HunterThat thing has battle fury in there, which I question with my very soul. Can anyone point me in the direction of a better build or justify the BF?
bf is good in bad pubs were ure better than everyone and u getting the farm faster than ur own team is more likely to make u win...
usually phase or treads / wand / aquila / drums is a pretty good core on bh,
you can then get bkb if u need it or a deso if enemy has low armour heroes / 1 shottable supports, deso is most effective when the enemy has ~5 armour.
for late game basher into abyssal is pretty good.
bh is actually pretty versatile he can get a lot of different items depending on the situation and do well.
i also like dagon bh into ethereal.
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On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it.
Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp.
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On July 19 2013 01:52 Plansix wrote:All right, I am looking for a solid BH build and went to dota wiki for a baseline: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bounty_HunterThat thing has battle fury in there, which I question with my very soul. Can anyone point me in the direction of a better build or justify the BF?
Assuming you're a first position BH *cough cough* (even then it'd be highly debatable) or really need someone to somewhat splitpush and have no better option *cough cough* the BF is a great idea! =P
Urn/Bottle/Aquila/Drum (pick 2-3 out of 4)+Phase/Tranq/Treads depending on the game -> BKB -> Aura items or autoattacking items depending on what your team needs you to do.
In general I'm a big fanboy of Urn, Bottle or not depends on where you're laning and how busy the courier is going to be in the first 10 minutes. Aquila depends on how much mana issues you have left with Urn/Bottle+Drums later on. In general it's a great idea to stack "ghetto items" on BH because all you need is a little help with your burst and survivability in ganks and track gold does the rest.
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On July 19 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it. Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp.
Diffusal seems pretty good against a warlock...
:D
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On July 19 2013 02:00 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it. Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp. Diffusal seems pretty good against a warlock... :D
Yeah, well Earthshaker could have a diffusal against warlock and it woudl be a good idea. Stupid balrog.
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I went Phase medallion vlads (physical heavy comp with like 3 drums already at that point) AC because i was raking in ridiculous amounts of track gold. BH is nice because just about everything works on him especially if it helps out your team
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On July 19 2013 01:59 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 01:52 Plansix wrote:All right, I am looking for a solid BH build and went to dota wiki for a baseline: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bounty_HunterThat thing has battle fury in there, which I question with my very soul. Can anyone point me in the direction of a better build or justify the BF? Assuming you're a first position BH *cough cough* (even then it'd be highly debatable) or really need someone to somewhat splitpush and have no better option *cough cough* the BF is a great idea! =P Urn/Bottle/Aquila/Drum (pick 2-3 out of 4)+Phase/Tranq/Treads depending on the game -> BKB -> Aura items or autoattacking items depending on what your team needs you to do. In general I'm a big fanboy of Urn, Bottle or not depends on where you're laning and how busy the courier is going to be in the first 10 minutes. Aquila depends on how much mana issues you have left with Urn/Bottle+Drums later on. In general it's a great idea to stack "ghetto items" on BH because all you need is a little help with your burst and survivability in ganks and track gold does the rest.
If i had to play BH first, it would be in RD or SD, which can happen, but my god I woudl try to avoid it.. Still, BF is only good if you have a good travel ability like blink or something to take advantage of the farm speed.
I have a deep love of urn on any simi-carry. I will put the thing on Windrunner if I have the cash. When I play tusk, I always get it just to be the field medic of the team. Drums is also my go to as well. I might just build him like I do Jugs or Tusk, with maybe a bit more focus on direct damage after that.
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On July 19 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 02:00 Comeh wrote:On July 19 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it. Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp. Diffusal seems pretty good against a warlock... :D Yeah, well Earthshaker could have a diffusal against warlock and it woudl be a good idea. Stupid balrog.
Blink in - fissure, ground stomp hit, diffusal, stomp - hit, stomp - hit. Super strong.
This is assuming you are building a daedalus on ES like you should be.
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On July 19 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 02:00 Comeh wrote:On July 19 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it. Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp. Diffusal seems pretty good against a warlock... :D Yeah, well Earthshaker could have a diffusal against warlock and it woudl be a good idea. Stupid balrog.
diffu gives u int and agi which is pretty nice and it encourages getting manta...
diffu has pretty good utility like killing warlock golems or removing positive enemy buffs...
it can also be used defensively like removing dust on urself or whatever negative debuff, not to mention diffusal is the biggest counter to ur ally getting hexed, i remember this game an invoker buying diffu won the game coz everytime enemy hexed his void he debuffed it...
bh's item build is mostly fluid...
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On July 19 2013 02:05 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 02:00 Comeh wrote:On July 19 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it. Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp. Diffusal seems pretty good against a warlock... :D Yeah, well Earthshaker could have a diffusal against warlock and it woudl be a good idea. Stupid balrog. Blink in - fissure, ground stomp hit, diffusal, stomp - hit, stomp - hit. Super strong. This is assuming you are building a daedalus on ES like you should be.
My god, I want to build some dumb carry earthshaker. Not because its funny, but because it is super terrible and would be great to watch. Get some Deso on so they can have no armor in for your second smash.
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On July 19 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 02:05 Comeh wrote:On July 19 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 02:00 Comeh wrote:On July 19 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it. Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp. Diffusal seems pretty good against a warlock... :D Yeah, well Earthshaker could have a diffusal against warlock and it woudl be a good idea. Stupid balrog. Blink in - fissure, ground stomp hit, diffusal, stomp - hit, stomp - hit. Super strong. This is assuming you are building a daedalus on ES like you should be. My god, I want to build some dumb carry earthshaker. Not because its funny, but because it is super terrible and would be great to watch. Get some Deso on so they can have no armor in for your second smash.
deso works on the first hit too
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On July 19 2013 01:46 Incze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 01:45 crms wrote:On July 19 2013 01:43 Incze wrote:
Clinkz is not going to stand in the creep wave and his range is bigger than wr's with arrows they both have 600 range unless the bug with arrows giving additional range is still in the game. They both SHOULD have 600 with arrows or not but I wouldn't be surprised if bug is still live. I thought that was a feature of dota 1 since I remember it being there forever.
Only Viper gets bonus range with his Orb, and it is kinda a feature since it wouldn't be hard to remove it.
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On July 19 2013 02:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 01:59 r.Evo wrote:On July 19 2013 01:52 Plansix wrote:All right, I am looking for a solid BH build and went to dota wiki for a baseline: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bounty_HunterThat thing has battle fury in there, which I question with my very soul. Can anyone point me in the direction of a better build or justify the BF? Assuming you're a first position BH *cough cough* (even then it'd be highly debatable) or really need someone to somewhat splitpush and have no better option *cough cough* the BF is a great idea! =P Urn/Bottle/Aquila/Drum (pick 2-3 out of 4)+Phase/Tranq/Treads depending on the game -> BKB -> Aura items or autoattacking items depending on what your team needs you to do. In general I'm a big fanboy of Urn, Bottle or not depends on where you're laning and how busy the courier is going to be in the first 10 minutes. Aquila depends on how much mana issues you have left with Urn/Bottle+Drums later on. In general it's a great idea to stack "ghetto items" on BH because all you need is a little help with your burst and survivability in ganks and track gold does the rest. If i had to play BH first, it would be in RD or SD, which can happen, but my god I woudl try to avoid it.. Still, BF is only good if you have a good travel ability like blink or something to take advantage of the farm speed. I have a deep love of urn on any simi-carry. I will put the thing on Windrunner if I have the cash. When I play tusk, I always get it just to be the field medic of the team. Drums is also my go to as well. I might just build him like I do Jugs or Tusk, with maybe a bit more focus on direct damage after that.
Honestly if you actually look at the stats it gives I don't think it's a horrible idea assuming you a) find free farm and b) don't use the BF to farm but to have higher burst in ganks and sustain yourselves between them.
If you really want regen+dmg it's a great item, the only reason it's "bad" is because people tend to use it solely as a farming item (making BH a useless "carry" since he doesn't scale that well with items) and because there are much cheaper items that essentially do the same thing (lol urn).
Now all you need to find is a situation where you're a protected safelane BH and your team has no one else on who the farm would be more useful between the time you hit 6 and the time your BF+Boots is up. =P
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On July 19 2013 02:14 ChunderBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 02:05 Comeh wrote:On July 19 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 02:00 Comeh wrote:On July 19 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it. Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp. Diffusal seems pretty good against a warlock... :D Yeah, well Earthshaker could have a diffusal against warlock and it woudl be a good idea. Stupid balrog. Blink in - fissure, ground stomp hit, diffusal, stomp - hit, stomp - hit. Super strong. This is assuming you are building a daedalus on ES like you should be. My god, I want to build some dumb carry earthshaker. Not because its funny, but because it is super terrible and would be great to watch. Get some Deso on so they can have no armor in for your second smash. deso works on the first hit too
First hit then. I alwasy sssumed it needed to proc first.
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On July 19 2013 02:05 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 02:00 Comeh wrote:On July 19 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 01:55 Incze wrote:
There's no way to justify getting bf on bh, ever.
I usually get phase medallion drums then usually stygian, but you can go for anything really after those, even BKB if you need it. Ok, that is what I thought, but I felt the need to check and make sure. I was also looking at the diffusal if I really needed a slow, but that would depend on the team comp. Diffusal seems pretty good against a warlock... :D Yeah, well Earthshaker could have a diffusal against warlock and it woudl be a good idea. Stupid balrog. Blink in - fissure, ground stomp hit, diffusal, stomp - hit, stomp - hit. Super strong. This is assuming you are building a daedalus on ES like you should be.
More like:
Stomp, use Shadowblade, wait for stomp cd, hit someone, stomp, hit.
Also, Sange >>> Diffusal. Actually, mass Sange is pretty strong. Daedalus is a must though, as you said.
Oh and go for max Totem + stats with 1 point in Fissure and ~2 in Aftershock.
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On July 19 2013 02:16 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 02:05 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2013 01:59 r.Evo wrote:On July 19 2013 01:52 Plansix wrote:All right, I am looking for a solid BH build and went to dota wiki for a baseline: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bounty_HunterThat thing has battle fury in there, which I question with my very soul. Can anyone point me in the direction of a better build or justify the BF? Assuming you're a first position BH *cough cough* (even then it'd be highly debatable) or really need someone to somewhat splitpush and have no better option *cough cough* the BF is a great idea! =P Urn/Bottle/Aquila/Drum (pick 2-3 out of 4)+Phase/Tranq/Treads depending on the game -> BKB -> Aura items or autoattacking items depending on what your team needs you to do. In general I'm a big fanboy of Urn, Bottle or not depends on where you're laning and how busy the courier is going to be in the first 10 minutes. Aquila depends on how much mana issues you have left with Urn/Bottle+Drums later on. In general it's a great idea to stack "ghetto items" on BH because all you need is a little help with your burst and survivability in ganks and track gold does the rest. If i had to play BH first, it would be in RD or SD, which can happen, but my god I woudl try to avoid it.. Still, BF is only good if you have a good travel ability like blink or something to take advantage of the farm speed. I have a deep love of urn on any simi-carry. I will put the thing on Windrunner if I have the cash. When I play tusk, I always get it just to be the field medic of the team. Drums is also my go to as well. I might just build him like I do Jugs or Tusk, with maybe a bit more focus on direct damage after that. Honestly if you actually look at the stats it gives I don't think it's a horrible idea assuming you a) find free farm and b) don't use the BF to farm but to have higher burst in ganks and sustain yourselves between them. If you really want regen+dmg it's a great item, the only reason it's "bad" is because people tend to use it solely as a farming item (making BH a useless "carry" since he doesn't scale that well with items) and because there are much cheaper items that essentially do the same thing (lol urn). Now all you need to find is a situation where you're a protected safelane BH and your team has no one else on who the farm would be more useful between the time you hit 6 and the time your BF+Boots is up. =P
Yeah, most of my games I end up having to be really active and covering for the hard carry(who is a buddy I play with a lot) so BH seems a good hero to have in my back pocket. I will likely go for a more utility build that will carry use through the mid game and let our hard carry grow up to be the killing machine we all dream s/he would be when we released them into the jungle.
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If you are #1 BH just stack rapiers and go for the 1 Hit Knock Out build.
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On July 19 2013 02:25 BlitzerSC wrote:
If you are #1 BH just stack rapiers and go for the 1 Hit Knock Out build.
So wait, if you are going to have a terrible plan, make sure its the best-terrible plan?
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Why do people get Medallion on BH? I know the item is good in general, lets you Rosh really fast and all, but I really question it on BH. I'd rather have a faster Drums/Vlads and have someone else pick it up.
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