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AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 00:27:51
July 13 2013 00:24 GMT
#66281
Yeah the shield should remove things like Batrider lasso, only Slark's Dark Pact is able to do that as well, and only for Slark himself ofcourse. The problem is that the cast range is pretty short, only 500.

Mist Coil's cast range is very good though, 800. A heal of 250 is pretty good, the same as Mekansm, but it won't really do anything if your ally is really being focused. That's where the synergy with shield comes in though - if you have both skills maxed, they'll have 450 extra HP to burst through.

It's pretty interesting that the Frostmourne (Curse of Avernus) passive works on towers (and Roshan). Your allies are going to be hitting with +40 IAS at the max level, which is pretty good... if it weren't for the fact that the other two skills shouls always be maxed first, so you're not going to have that until ~level 15.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 13 2013 00:33 GMT
#66282
essentially abaddon will be used by teams that like him, and ignored by teams that don't. He's strong enough certainly. but its up to team using him, him being in CM before TI3 with enough time to get used to him again ect.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 00:57:28
July 13 2013 00:47 GMT
#66283
On July 13 2013 09:24 AwfuL_ wrote:
Yeah the shield should remove things like Batrider lasso, only Slark's Dark Pact is able to do that as well, and only for Slark himself ofcourse. The problem is that the cast range is pretty short, only 500.

Mist Coil's cast range is very good though, 800. A heal of 250 is pretty good, the same as Mekansm, but it won't really do anything if your ally is really being focused. That's where the synergy with shield comes in though - if you have both skills maxed, they'll have 450 extra HP to burst through.

It's pretty interesting that the Frostmourne (Curse of Avernus) passive works on towers (and Roshan). Your allies are going to be hitting with +40 IAS at the max level, which is pretty good... if it weren't for the fact that the other two skills shouls always be maxed first, so you're not going to have that until ~level 15.

You'll have at least one point in Curse of avernus before level 11 definitely.
That movespeed boost for your entire team is too good to ignore.
And early on where you'll most be chasing a target and not standing still and attacking it attack speed honestly doesn't do too much since you'll be attacking -> running -> attacking -> running.
So getting it after the other two isn't that big of a problem honestly, it's a super good skill even at level 1. Obviously for quick roshans and towers it sucks that you can't get it max early. But yeah.

Not that it matters to me as i'll be playing Carrydon.
This hero is too baller for just supporting.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 13 2013 00:58 GMT
#66284
I'm pretty sure that Avernus curse doesn't debuff towers. You only get the buff for yourself.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 13 2013 01:07 GMT
#66285
loas used to be mostly used as a counterpick to specific heroes aka bane
hes also quite good with certain tanky carries aka necro
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 01:39:19
July 13 2013 01:39 GMT
#66286
On July 13 2013 09:58 Mataza wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Avernus curse doesn't debuff towers. You only get the buff for yourself.


This is what i've experienced. When I checked my allies, they weren't getting the curse buff while attacking the tower, but I was.
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 01:40:20
July 13 2013 01:40 GMT
#66287
Any way to hide this filter button on posts now? It's a nice feature and all but it's kind of annoying that all posts now have a space before them.

Don't really like running custom CSS from my browser.
Once you Goblak...
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
July 13 2013 01:56 GMT
#66288
I'm sure he'll see situational play, he won't exactly be as bad as Bloodseeker but he was picked enough in DotA 1 that made him middle of the road for those who vaguely followed the scene then.

Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
July 13 2013 01:57 GMT
#66289
On July 13 2013 10:40 teapoted wrote:
Any way to hide this filter button on posts now? It's a nice feature and all but it's kind of annoying that all posts now have a space before them.

Don't really like running custom CSS from my browser.

Wrong place to ask for this, but no there's no option. You tend to get used to it quickly.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
July 13 2013 01:58 GMT
#66290
On July 13 2013 09:33 PrinceXizor wrote:
essentially abaddon will be used by teams that like him, and ignored by teams that don't. He's strong enough certainly. but its up to team using him, him being in CM before TI3 with enough time to get used to him again ect.

It's not like his abilities has been re-worked from what I recall. He's still conceptually the same hero as he has been years ago.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 13 2013 02:01 GMT
#66291
hmmm, the compendium match this week looks really good for pub stomping. Thoughts on farming this for smeevil crafting items?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
July 13 2013 02:05 GMT
#66292
On July 13 2013 11:01 NB wrote:
hmmm, the compendium match this week looks really good for pub stomping. Thoughts on farming this for smeevil crafting items?


If you really care about farming it just get a decent 3-5 stack and it shouldn't matter either way.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 13 2013 02:06 GMT
#66293
On July 13 2013 10:58 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 09:33 PrinceXizor wrote:
essentially abaddon will be used by teams that like him, and ignored by teams that don't. He's strong enough certainly. but its up to team using him, him being in CM before TI3 with enough time to get used to him again ect.

It's not like his abilities has been re-worked from what I recall. He's still conceptually the same hero as he has been years ago.

yeah but valve doesn't add any newly introduced heroes to CM until they are apparently bug free.
MiB
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden325 Posts
July 13 2013 02:10 GMT
#66294
I just wanted to say: What valve is doing with the compendium is Fucking amazing.

Sorry for the harsh language...
How do I shape water.
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
July 13 2013 02:13 GMT
#66295
The people who cared about the compendium courier already had their 85 cards before the patch even hit test client. Have fun farming.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 13 2013 02:15 GMT
#66296
Soooooooo... anyone watching this NSL broadcast on dotaTV. exciting stuff going on right now...
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
July 13 2013 02:30 GMT
#66297
On July 13 2013 10:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 10:40 teapoted wrote:
Any way to hide this filter button on posts now? It's a nice feature and all but it's kind of annoying that all posts now have a space before them.

Don't really like running custom CSS from my browser.

Wrong place to ask for this, but no there's no option. You tend to get used to it quickly.
Not if you make websites for a living =P
Once you Goblak...
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
July 13 2013 03:25 GMT
#66298
Hah, perhaps. But basically it's been asked before and it's not doable atm.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 13 2013 03:31 GMT
#66299
sounds like you picked the wrong career teapoted.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
July 13 2013 03:37 GMT
#66300
anyone else queueing forever?

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