• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:11
CEST 18:11
KST 01:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy1[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon100Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Yamato Cup Series StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot [ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy Bot on ladder Working 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 Ladder
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr -> DragOn vs StRyKeR [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8291 users

General Discussion - Page 3295

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 3293 3294 3295 3296 3297 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 11 2013 06:09 GMT
#65881
On July 11 2013 15:04 lazyitachi wrote:
Tinker model has been broken down and IS NOW READY FOR COSMETICS.

PLS>> MAKE TINKER COSMETICS.. I want them so bad


I don't know if valve would allow it since it's their own character. But since I'm replaying HL2 for funsies and that pic of tinker without his head reminded me of it. Someone should make the body "Dog" from HL2! I mean, the voice is already Dr. Kleiner anyway!

[image loading]
LiquidDota Staff
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 11 2013 06:11 GMT
#65882
loas not a very good carry
hes usually hard support
hes rly ez just spam shield heal on ur carry til u win
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
July 11 2013 06:39 GMT
#65883
loa and huskar seems really op in pubs, if u want more lols, add on omniknight and shadow priest.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 11 2013 06:44 GMT
#65884
Triggered heal interactions being different in DotA 2 makes LoA weaker.

Depending on how they change Frostmourne's interactions with orbs/other buff placers, that could also be stronger or weaker (e.g. if it stacks with OoV the way Veno's Poison Sting does now, Boots+OoV will be really good on him).
Moderator
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 06:48:57
July 11 2013 06:47 GMT
#65885
On July 11 2013 15:44 TheYango wrote:
Triggered heal interactions being different in DotA 2 makes LoA weaker.

Depending on how they change Frostmourne's interactions with orbs/other buff placers, that could also be stronger or weaker (e.g. if it stacks with OoV the way Veno's Poison Sting does now, Boots+OoV will be really good on him).

If it stacks with OoV/Skadi, it will be almost as good as Omni for the maximum slow build.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 11 2013 06:50 GMT
#65886
On July 11 2013 15:44 TheYango wrote:
Triggered heal interactions being different in DotA 2 makes LoA weaker.

Depending on how they change Frostmourne's interactions with orbs/other buff placers, that could also be stronger or weaker (e.g. if it stacks with OoV the way Veno's Poison Sting does now, Boots+OoV will be really good on him).

but better model and sound effects makes him stronger sooooo
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 11 2013 06:53 GMT
#65887
On July 11 2013 15:47 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 15:44 TheYango wrote:
Triggered heal interactions being different in DotA 2 makes LoA weaker.

Depending on how they change Frostmourne's interactions with orbs/other buff placers, that could also be stronger or weaker (e.g. if it stacks with OoV the way Veno's Poison Sting does now, Boots+OoV will be really good on him).

If it stacks with OoV/Skadi, it will be almost as good as Omni for the maximum slow build.

Well the way to play him already with random gold is to get Boots and just run at people at level 1 in lane, and now it'd be even better if you can get OoV too without worrying about Frostmourne stacking issues.
Moderator
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 06:55:52
July 11 2013 06:55 GMT
#65888
On July 11 2013 15:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 15:47 SKC wrote:
On July 11 2013 15:44 TheYango wrote:
Triggered heal interactions being different in DotA 2 makes LoA weaker.

Depending on how they change Frostmourne's interactions with orbs/other buff placers, that could also be stronger or weaker (e.g. if it stacks with OoV the way Veno's Poison Sting does now, Boots+OoV will be really good on him).

If it stacks with OoV/Skadi, it will be almost as good as Omni for the maximum slow build.

Well the way to play him already with random gold is to get Boots and just run at people at level 1 in lane, and now it'd be even better if you can get OoV too without worrying about Frostmourne stacking issues.

Yeah, but the real fun starts when you get Skadi, Sange, Basher and Shivas.
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
July 11 2013 07:04 GMT
#65889
On July 11 2013 15:11 Dead9 wrote:
loas not a very good carry
hes usually hard support
hes rly ez just spam shield heal on ur carry til u win


What no! Any hero carry ftw. Besides he's good as a semi-carry as a source of right click DPS for the team. There's no real chance people will aim him first because of his ult being annoying thus he's usually free to do whatever he want in a teamfight most of the time.

At least thats my experience in DOTA1
Mew Mew Pew Pew
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 07:13:38
July 11 2013 07:13 GMT
#65890
On July 11 2013 16:04 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 15:11 Dead9 wrote:
loas not a very good carry
hes usually hard support
hes rly ez just spam shield heal on ur carry til u win


What no! Any hero carry ftw. Besides he's good as a semi-carry as a source of right click DPS for the team. There's no real chance people will aim him first because of his ult being annoying thus he's usually free to do whatever he want in a teamfight most of the time.

At least thats my experience in DOTA1

"No real chance people will aim him first" is actually a more valuable quality for a support than a carry, particularly a Strength carry. In large part a lot of Strength carries actually want to eat a round of spells for their back line. But being a support that everyone will ignore because you're too hard to kill is actually really valuable because supports are often the heroes that are killed first due to being easy to kill.
Moderator
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 11 2013 07:14 GMT
#65891
Yeah, no. Abbadon is not a good semicarrry. He can (semi)carry in pubs, but anyone can. He's really a one-spell hero, much like treant. He's all about that shield, early game for good harass/nuke, lategame for that debuff. The rest of his spells are really just filler.
super gg
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
July 11 2013 07:34 GMT
#65892
What skill order is best for LoA (support)? Frostmorne seems like a one point wonder, but is shield maxed or coil maxed better? I'm leaning towards shield, because decreasing the cd to 6 secs makes it quite good at removing debuffs, and as a support you may not be level 10 (where it becomes moot) before you need to become a debuff bot.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 11 2013 07:36 GMT
#65893
idk i always liked the shield first but there could be cases for death coil
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 11 2013 07:37 GMT
#65894
i wonder how shield would react along with living armor
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 11 2013 07:38 GMT
#65895
time to add another champ to ixmikes pool
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 11 2013 07:40 GMT
#65896
HOLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED THAT THE LOGO OF DOTA 2 IS ACTUALLY THE (MINI)MAP WITH THE LINE IN THE MIDDLE AS THE RIVER.

mind = blown.
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
July 11 2013 07:44 GMT
#65897
On July 11 2013 16:40 icystorage wrote:
HOLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED THAT THE LOGO OF DOTA 2 IS ACTUALLY THE (MINI)MAP WITH THE LINE IN THE MIDDLE AS THE RIVER.

mind = blown.

Uhm... welcome to 21st century :D
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 11 2013 07:48 GMT
#65898
death coil for more offensive lanes, but usually shield first
loa actually nukes for a lot tho
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 11 2013 08:19 GMT
#65899
On July 11 2013 16:37 icystorage wrote:
i wonder how shield would react along with living armor

In DotA 1 they're both implemented as triggered heals, meaning that they both trigger on an incoming instance of damage, but you're healed for the extra amount of damage "prevented".

All triggered heals actually stack this way in DotA 1, which is why changes to triggered heal interactions in DotA 2 is nerf to Abaddon (both Shield and Borrowed Time are triggered heals).
Moderator
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
July 11 2013 08:20 GMT
#65900
On July 11 2013 16:40 icystorage wrote:
HOLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED THAT THE LOGO OF DOTA 2 IS ACTUALLY THE (MINI)MAP WITH THE LINE IN THE MIDDLE AS THE RIVER.

mind = blown.


lmao dude :D
Prev 1 3293 3294 3295 3296 3297 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
15:00
#13
Spirit vs MixuLIVE!
Clem vs ByuN
Harstem217
IndyStarCraft 199
TKL 158
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SHIN 576
Harstem 217
IndyStarCraft 199
TKL 158
ProTech149
BRAT_OK 60
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 896
Mong 71
Hyun 59
Dewaltoss 53
Trap 48
PianO 34
ToSsGirL 31
Hm[arnc] 29
HiyA 25
soO 23
[ Show more ]
Sharp 21
scan(afreeca) 20
Aegong 17
yabsab 16
Snow 14
zelot 12
Noble 9
Dota 2
Gorgc6413
qojqva2501
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes421
Khaldor302
Other Games
FrodaN1785
Liquid`RaSZi1442
singsing1405
B2W.Neo1060
Beastyqt553
KnowMe255
Hui .182
ArmadaUGS117
Railgan36
CosmosSc2 3
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9068
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1938
Other Games
EGCTV1132
StarCraft 2
WardiTV982
Other Games
gamesdonequick669
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile137
• StrangeGG 33
• Adnapsc2 3
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 19
• FirePhoenix9
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3560
League of Legends
• Jankos2560
Other Games
• WagamamaTV235
• Shiphtur155
Upcoming Events
BSL
2h 49m
Ret vs TerrOr
DragOn vs StRyKeR
Replay Cast
7h 49m
Afreeca Starleague
17h 49m
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
18h 49m
Monday Night Weeklies
23h 49m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 17h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 17h
Light vs EffOrt
OSC
1d 19h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
GSL
6 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

K-JUNGMAN
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.